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Is The Time Right To Deal Tim Thomas?

BUFFALO NY - NOVEMBER 03:  Tim Thomas #30 of the Boston Bruins makes the save against the Buffalo Sabres at the HSBC Arena on November 3 2010 in Buffalo New York. The Bruins defeated the Sabres 5-2.  (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

Oh man, I'm gonna take some heat for this one. 

OK, settle down, Bruins fans.  Just stick with me, and we'll get through this together. 

Seriously, are you nuts?  The dude's 7-0 and has a goals against average that can only be viewed with an electron microscope.  He's playing better than Dominik Hasek, Patrick Roy and Martin Brodeur rolled into one.  The only way he'd be more awesome would be if he bought beer for the entire section behind him at TD Garden. 

You can back out.  It's not too late.  Write something about your boy Brad Marchand and how awesome his first NHL goal was.  

(Sigh)

Let's do this thing.

I like Tim Thomas.  You like Tim Thomas.  And I really like the cyborg in goal wearing the #35 #30 jersey right now.  That's why it's hard for me to say this: now might be a good time to trade him.

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Thomas has a GAA of 0.77.  He has a save percentage of .977.  These aren't good numbers.  These aren't great numbers.  These are absurd numbers.  However, the problem with absurd numbers is that they are unsustainable.  If you seriously believe that Timmy will let in less than a goal per game for the remainder of the season, and stop 49 out of every 50 shots, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I'd like to sell you. 

In the offseason, the Bruins worked hard to trade Thomas, and were thwarted first by the no-trade clause, then by his hip surgery, which killed any interest in him.  There is little doubt the hip surgery was beneficial; Thomas is a goaltender who relies more than most on movement and reflexes.  Where Tuukka Rask relies on textbook positioning, Thomas relies on reflexes, quickness and instinct.  (If you could put the two in a lab and combine them, you'd probably have the perfect goaltender.) 

Depending on who you ask, there may have been a trade on the table for Simon Gagne at the trading deadline last year.  Whether someone was reluctant to pull the trigger, or the no-trade clause killed it is anyone's guess.  Had it been executed, the Bruins probably would have gotten past Philadelphia and into the conference finals, since their lack of scoring would likely have been nicely addressed with that addition. 

In any case, it's no secret that the Bruins were, at minimum, open to moving Thomas.  It is also no secret that the Bruins face a cap crunch this season.  Marco Sturm and Marc Savard aren't back yet, but probably will be in the next month.  That will force the team to move some salary.  The most popular candidates for such a move are Michael Ryder and Blake Wheeler.  Ryder is playing fairly well, and thus the possibility of moving him and actually getting some value is no longer absurd.  Prior to this season, I felt that the Bruins would have to send a second round pick with Ryder to entice a team to take on his contract.  Now, they might be able to move Ryder and get a token prospect in return.  Wheeler also still carries some value.  He's young, big, and has had some NHL success, but increasingly looks like a guy who needs a change of scenery.  Yes, he played a nice game last night, scoring his first goal of the season, but it was a garbage goal, and anyway, the Sabres looked dreadful for the first 30 minutes of that game. 

If the Bruins were to trade Ryder (for nominal value) and Wheeler (who they could probably get a decent return for), they would solve the short term cap problem.  However, trading Thomas would not only address the short term cap issues, but a long term cap issue as well.  Tuukka Rask is signed for this year and next at $1.25 million per year, a bargain if there ever was one.  He will be a restricted free agent after that, and probably looking for a good bit more money.  Even though the RFA status would depress his salary, and even though the salary market for goaltenders is on the decline, the Bruins are probably looking at a minimum of $4 million per season.  For 2012-13, they already have $39.4 million in salary committed to just 10 players.  That would leave them with about $19 million to fill out half the roster.  True, the cap will probably go up in that time, but even $25 million worth of cap space would leave the Bruins relying on some bargain basement pickups. 

Dealing Thomas would solve that long-term cap issue as well.  And with him playing as well as few goaltenders ever have, the Bruins would not only be able to get some team to take on his $5 million per year cap hit, but get some good assets in the deal, too. 

"But he's playing great!"

Yes, he is.  Remember in the offseason, how the Canadiens traded Jaroslav Halak after his playoff heroics?  From an asset management perspective, that was the right move.  They knew that Halak probably would not get more valuable than he was at that moment.  The problem was not that they traded Halak, but rather, that they got too little in return, and failed to get Carey Price locked down first, leading to Price having an advantage in negotiations that he wouldn't have otherwise possessed.  The Habs blew it, in the end, but the plan itself was the right one; it was their execution that failed.

If you're going to look at things from an asset management perspective, you buy low and sell high.  The Bruins originally bought low on Thomas, signing him to a deal that paid a million bucks a year.  That contract was one of the biggest bargains in NHL history, as he went on to win a Vezina Trophy.  In terms of selling, his stock is not going to get higher than it is now.  There's just no possible way that he's going to continue playing this well. 

Here's the problem with that perspective, though: people aren't stocks. 

From an asset management perspective, trading Thomas is the right move.  I will not dispute this.  We know Tuukka Rask can be a top 10 goaltender, and so if you can turn a hot player into an asset, and manage your salary cap, you need to do it.  But from a team harmony perspective, it's absolutely the wrong move. 

When a team is playing as well as the Bruins are right now, there's an understandable reluctance to rock the boat.  If you guys have read my stuff enough, you know that I love numbers.  I think statistical analysis in hockey is dramatically underrated, and I think that Puck Prospectus is pretty much the best $20 that a hockey fan can spend.  But it doesn't tell the whole story.  There's indisputably a team element and a chemistry element to team sports.  I think that element is dramatically overrated; I want to punch someone every time I hear the words "Proven Veteran".  I think a GM should be fired for incompetence if he says a phrase like "he doesn't put up the numbers but he's a great locker room presence" to defend something like the Rob Niedermayer signing.  But still, that element is there, and if it should be discounted, it cannot be ignored.

By trading Thomas, one runs the risk of upsetting the balance on a team that is playing extremely good hockey.  It would probably make Rask happy, though he's been a good soldier so far, but you'd hear words like "blindsided" thrown around in interviews afterward, and that's pretty much always a bad sign.  As the saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". 

The Bruins are playing excellent hockey in pretty much every department.  There are no glaring holes on the team; the addition of Nathan Horton and the return to health of Milan Lucic have made the top line a potent offensive force once again.  The strong play of rookies Tyler Seguin and Jordan Caron have dramatically aided the secondary scoring.  The defense is not letting good shots get put on net.  The argument for trading Thomas might be stronger if there was a glaring hole on the team, but there's not. By keeping him, even when his play backslides (that's a when, not an if), the Bruins are all but assured of having the best goaltending in the NHL from night to night.  With a slate of 16 games in 29 nights coming up, both Rask and Thomas will be getting some work.  Where most teams suffer a major decline when their backup comes in (see also: last night's game), the Bruins should be assured of a top-flight goaltending performance every night.  That's a huge advantage in the short term.  In the long term, it's less important than another top 4 defenseman or top 6 forward, but if you're looking to win now, and don't have holes, it has plenty of value.

The best argument for trading Thomas is asset management.  But sometimes the "win now" approach has to trump the "asset management" approach.  If a hole opens up, trading Thomas would have to on the short list of options to consider.  But for now, there's not enough argument for rocking the boat.  Ask the Chicago Blackhawks if they'd have been better off avoiding the "win now" approach in favor of an "asset management" approach. 

I'm guessing they'll collectively flash their Stanley Cup rings in response. 

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what a riveting, thought provoking post

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by delta on Nov 4, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only slightly less insightful than the article.

by Toe Nash on Nov 4, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the contract is bad

But why would you trade your best player right now?
If he cools down and Tuukka plays well down the stretch maybe later, but not now at all.
I’d personaly wait until the offseason.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Nov 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

But why would you trade your best player right now?
However, trading Thomas would not only address the short term cap issues, but a long term cap issue as well.
If you’re going to look at things from an asset management perspective, you buy low and sell high … In terms of selling, his stock is not going to get higher than it is now. There’s just no possible way that he’s going to continue playing this well.

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by red army line on Nov 4, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Asset management?

The Bruins have had nearly 40 years to do “asset management”. Hasn’t worked out so far. Fans aren’t going to care about the cap if the team gets the Cup. They’ve got a good team with stupid good goaltending. In conclusion: No.

by Arenacale on Nov 4, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Trouble is, if you try and load up your team best case you probably have a ~30% chance of winning the Cup. Only 30%. The Bruins have a good group of skaters and will continue to have a good group of skaters (who make the second best Corsi team in the East, a whisker behind Pittsburgh last time I checked) if they can solve cap issues.

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by red army line on Nov 4, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said. If I thought Thomas gave the B’s an automatic pass to the Stanley Cup Finals, the thought wouldn’t have even entered my head.

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't buy into that, though.

If you’re a GM, and your team is competitive now as-is, wouldn’t you work to keep the team that competitive? I don’t think keeping Thomas mortgages the future of this team, and if he gives the Bruins a better chance to win in May/June, even by just a small amount, then the GM is almost obligated to keep him. If there’s a blow-your-socks-off type of offer out there, then yeah, send him off, but if you’re doing it just to add that 85th potential “puck moving defenceman” that you’ve gone after for 4 seasons now, then you’re killing the team for no good reason.

by Arenacale on Nov 4, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And furthermore...

Successes in “asset management” – See: Whalers, Hartford.

by Arenacale on Nov 4, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell does that even mean? If you want to look at successes in asset management, look no further than the Detroit Red Wings, New England Patriots and Pittsburgh Steelers. Those are teams that have let players go the moment their salary exceeds their value to the team, and have prided themselves on buying low and selling high. And, amazingly enough, all have been spectacularly successful in their sports.

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re operating on the assumption that they’d deal him for crap, then I’ve already lost you, and there’s no point in discussing it.

The one silver lining about Boston’s long-term cap situation is this; they’ve drafted well in recent years, and have a very deep group of forwards, so filling in those bottom spots on the roster cheaply will be easier for them than some other teams. But make no mistake, the longer Thomas is on the team, the more of a cap crunch there will be. That’s just math, it’s nothing fancy.

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, so then let’s assume they trade Thomas for another great player. You’re still in a cap crunch because fair trade value is going to bring back a player with a similar salary, and unless he’s intended to be a rental for the remainder of the season (which is a bad idea, too), you’re still going to have similar money on the books for at least a couple of years. I guess if that makes it easier to ship out a Ryder or Ference who get replaced by that player, then that’s not a bad thing. But, by the same token, you’ve still lost 1/2 of the goalie duo that you were hoping would get you deep in the spring.

Yes, if you trade Thomas now and manage to get a star, it all works out and nobody complains. And they could ensure the team’s perennial contention in doing so. But that’s a hell of a risk, and I still don’t believe that potentially compromising a winning season is a smart move less than 2 months in.

by Arenacale on Nov 4, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who would he go for?

The biggest question to me is who would he be traded for. Of course you can trade anyone for the right price, but this lengthy post doesn’t suggest any possible targets. The problem is that it seems to me that the best thing to would be to trade TT (if you decide to move him) for a top-4 defenseman or maybe a winger. A pick or prospects would be another option, but I think you’d want to leverage a strength of the team into helping out a current weakness, as the B’s have an extra 1st-rounder and a decent amount of prospects.

But the problem with trading for a current top-4 Dman is that any who’d be available have big contracts! I know Yandle was rumored recently, but Bryzgalov is pretty solid so I don’t see how Thomas would make sense for Phoenix.

Plus, while I think he’s been the victim of some poor play in front of him, Rask hasn’t lit the world on fire and he could be a candidate for a sophomore slump.

The best thing to do is to wait. Thomas isn’t going to keep this up, but he’s looks a lot better than last year, and should continue to be strong. If a contender has a goaltending problem and is looking for help, they’ll get more and more desperate and we may be able to work out a better trade closer to the deadline. If nothing happens, having two good-to-great goalies is a good problem to have. As for the long-term cap stuff, Thomas can be traded in the offseason if the cap becomes an issue. In the short-term, they will need cap help when Savard and / or Sturm come back, so it makes more sense to trade a forward to make room for those guys rather than trading a goalie, having to find a backup for Rask, and then having to send down someone like Caron or Marchand when Savard is back.

by Toe Nash on Nov 4, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Who TT would go for is a huge question. And honestly, I have no idea. None. If I had a good idea, I would have put it in the post.

If Michal Neuvirth wasn’t playing so well, I would have thought a Thomas plus a couple other players for Mike Green deal would have made sense. I thought for sure the Caps were going to deal Green after that playoff debacle.

Chicago makes sense as a destination, but I think they’d have a hard time agreeing on compensation. The Blackhawks would jump on a Thomas for Brian Campbell deal, but I don’t see the Bruins being interested in that, not if they’re trying to address a long term cap issue. The Blackhawks would probably refuse to part with Patrick Sharp, another player who’s enjoying a white-hot start. Maybe Brent Seabrook, if they felt like they can’t resign him?

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am sending my medical bills to you!!

First for the broken jaw when it hit the floor after reading the title and secondly for the insanity I have broken out into hahaha. I understand we have cap issues but moving the hottest goalie in the league right now, and as mentioned above Rask yes he has serious talent but hes still young and unproven. One year does not make a goalie….AKA Jim Carrey, AKA dare I use his name comparing Rask but Andrew Raycroft. There is no rush to move TT at least I hope not. Yes Rask is the tender of the future but the time is now and having two #1 goalies is a problem that coaches, players and fans dream of. I understand asset mgmt can be a srength for the movement of Thomas but really what are we going to get for Thomas thats going to put us over the top?? What team will be willing to ship valluable assets for a goalie no matter how hot he is right now that is $5 mil a year against the cap and is shall I say nearing the downside of his career. Lets enjoy what Timmy is doing for us right now and just go with it.

All that being said….when it comes down to it, it all depends on the return. There are some players and packages out there that would make sense but before I hear a serious offer that benefits us right now I say hold on to TT.

by beachguy113 on Nov 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

don’t put all of your eggs into the Rask basket, phunwin

by delta on Nov 4, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

…but I’ll agree that, if you need to trade him, the time is now.

by delta on Nov 4, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. That’s my point. If you’re planning to deal Thomas, his value ain’t gonna get higher. Lost in the myriad of shock, awe and scorn over my post is the fact that I conclude at the end that trading him isn’t worth it right now.

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news, you know who is second to Tim Thomas in goals against? (not counting penguins backups, though pretty soon we’re gonna have to annoit Johnson the starter and MAF will be Huet 2.0)
Jaroslav Halak.

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by Ubiquitous on Nov 4, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

The Bruins and Blues are also tied for first in the NHL with a .778 record.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Admittedly, you are 5 million dollars over the cap, which is a problem. This of course assumes that your players will get healthy at some point and that savard won’t get Connolly’d for a year.

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by Ubiquitous on Nov 4, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he doesn’t get Twellman’d, myself. (short version: Concussed at 28 and retired a year and a half later without having played another minute.)

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 4, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sucks for Twellman. He was on the cusp of being a significant player on the world stage.

by Stanley Cup of Chowder on Nov 4, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He never really got that much of a chance internationally, but he sure did tear it up for the Revs. Which ruled.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 4, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he would have gone to the EPL or another league at some point. The Revs shot down some of his opportunities to go the Premier League.

by Stanley Cup of Chowder on Nov 4, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLS seems hell bent on trying to prove themselves as a major league by handcuffing elite players to the States.

by Arenacale on Nov 4, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the way the MLS is set up is a little odd. I’m not an expert on it at all. There are plenty of guys on the USMNT that play in Europe, though.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 4, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think MLS would help their cause by trying some form of promotion-relegation to force team owners to spend the money to make the clubs better. I know Kraft likes it because they’ve got a cap and a way to keep costs down, but it’s only going to continue to be 2nd tier until there’s a real penalty for not winning.

by Arenacale on Nov 4, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the problem with it in New England is nobody wants to go to Gillette, Seattle averages 30k+ at games. It’s only direct competition is really baseball.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 5, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Pacific Northwest also has a pretty rabid soccer culture.

"According to Joe Haggerty of Comcast Sports New England, Tuukka Rask's explanation of Christopher Higgins' goal was 's**t happens'. I see the kid's English is improving nicely."

by Ebinsugewa on Nov 5, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nitpick: MLS shot down his possible moves.

"According to Joe Haggerty of Comcast Sports New England, Tuukka Rask's explanation of Christopher Higgins' goal was 's**t happens'. I see the kid's English is improving nicely."

by Ebinsugewa on Nov 5, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

PWNT.
We’re guessing “Phunwin” is Tuukka Rask’s pen name.

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by Arenacale on Nov 4, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

caption from puck daddy:

• Tim Thomas is the best goalie in the NHL right now for the Boston Bruins. Stanley Cup of Chowder wonders is that means it’s the right time to “manage an asset” and trade him. We’re guessing “Phunwin” is Tuukka Rask’s pen name. [SCOC]

by TomServo42 on Nov 4, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Hahaha! That’s awesome!

(Post translated from Finnish)

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 6:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

so im just saying… in the first paragraph, im wondering whats this cyborg in net wearing number 35… im assuming your not talking about tim thomas, as hes number 30

by BlueNGoldBomber on Nov 4, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Manny Fernandez was the last Bruins goalie to have a 7-0-0 streak, I think.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure it was just an oversight. I edited it with a strikethrough.

by Stanley Cup of Chowder on Nov 4, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, brainfart. My bad.

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I figured that was the best way to handle it. Sorry to step on your toes there.

by Stanley Cup of Chowder on Nov 4, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a problem. I’d rather have it revised than leave the mistake.

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 Words - No Trade Clause

The only way Thomas waives his NTC is if he heads to a certified contender. In Thomas’s position I would only consider San Jose, Washington, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Detriot and Chicago. Maybe Tampa if I have been drinking.

Additionally, the B’s would need to come out of it with a backup, so now we are talking about at least a four player deal.

I liked Thomas last year – I couldn’t believe that Julien didn’t play Thomas in Game 6 in Philly. I say keep Thomas – this guy has run uphill his entire career.

For salary cap solution send Ryder to minors. Put Sturm in the lineup – send Sturm down to Providence then recall Ryder. Send Ference down when Savard is ready erhaps do the same with Ference. Shop Ryder/Sturm and Ference as a package at the deadline for picks. I really hope the cap issues can be addressed between some combination of Ference, Paille, Sturm and Ryder.

by inthemist on Nov 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

don’t you think ryder and sturm have a good chance of getting snagged on waivers then we are left without anything in return except less cap?

by tkent on Nov 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

does it really matter

I wouldn’t really care if they were snagged with nothing in return except less cap because neither of them is needed cept maybe ryder for the time being.

by Christopher P on Nov 4, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryder’s nearly a point per game right now (7 in 9). Pump and dump? Maybe.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 4, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would prefer that they keep Ryder over Sturm. Ryder played well in the playoffs, taking the body and putting pucks on the net. Sturm can kill penalties but he is too fragile – and B’s PK is fine for now. But Ryder is $500K more expensive than Sturm.

So solve immediate cap issues using Sturm and Ference, and shore up D later in the season with Wheeler or Ryder if necessary.

For the folks concerned about a pure salary dump – that is excatly what has to happen. If LA offers a sixth round pick for Sturm Chirelli would be crazy not to take it. I should hope that he could pry a third rounder out someone for Ryder.

by inthemist on Nov 4, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would keep Ryder over Sturm simply because I think Sturm will take a while to come back from his injury and won’t be the same player. Were both healthy, I would take Sturm, who has been very consistent over his career, compared to Ryder, who has been the exact opposite.

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, if Ryder and Sturm or whoever got snagged on re-entry waivers, the Bruins are on the hook for 1/2 of their salary (including cap hit) for the rest of their contracts.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 4, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, welcome back to the site!

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 4, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously, I’m considering it more from the team perspective. With Thomas playing as well as he has, he would probably refuse a trade, making the point moot.

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Risking Ryder and Sturm

Small price to pay to hold onto core of this team. Both are UFA’s at the end of the season. You will be able to find some help later in the season like Satan last year or perhaps MA Bergeron on a one year 1.25 mil to take up a 4-6 defenseman slot.

If Wheeler goes you need to get at least a beast of no. 4 d-man.

by inthemist on Nov 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

My Devils are in the same boat. Looming cap issues when people come back from injury.

The problem with said issue is that the rest of the league knows you need to drop salary. That’s their leverage over both our teams. Despite Thomas playing ridiculously well (traded Penner for him in my fantasy league two weeks ago. best trade ever), the best I can see the B’s doing is a fairly even trade. And everyone knows that Thomas will not keep this level of play up, as you mention. Even more leverage.

You’d be trading away your hot goalie for relatively nothing but solving cap problems. If I were the Bruins GM, I’d keep Thomas until he comes back to earth, and then reopen trade talks. You’re going to get hosed in 9 out of 10 trades where you need to shed salary. Why not get some wins in return?

by skly27 on Nov 4, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s a good argument. I guess my response to that would be that there are always GMs willing to buy at the peak of value, and it just takes one to buy into the idea that Thomas is back to Vezina winning form. But yeah, I definitely wouldn’t just dump salary with him. I’d want value for sure.

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Julien/Chiarelli have probably bought into the idea that Thomas is back to Vezina form. I mean, I could be wrong, but I’m pretty happy with his play.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 4, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if that’s the case, it’s pretty hard to trade a guy when you value him higher than everyone else.

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by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't do It

I can’t see us getting any assets from anybody. Are we going to get Tavares or Hall or Eberle in return? High reward with low contracts? Maybe if we get a few 1st rounders from crappy teams we have a shot at a player like that. And we can’t trade for Vinny L. because we have the contract issue (never mind he’s a center and all that jazz, just an example). My personal feeling is that I’d rather have them go for the cup with 2 solid goalies so if one gets hurt, it doesn’t hurt our overall team chances. I’d rather that the cup came before the rapture…

by I Love Ska on Nov 4, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay, So I'm from the Western Conference. HUGE Blues fan here

And I say unless someone does something stupid like say offer a Halak-type player for him, the deal doesn’t make sense. As Phunwin pointed out, I’d think that would kill the team chemistry over there, and while TT may be at his highest value now, I just don’t see it working out for you in the long run. Besides, you guys are one of the few teams in the east I can actually watch play without wanting to throw up.

We got REALLY lucky on the Halak deal. Baring you all being able to get that same stupid business-savvy type of GM I don’t see you getting the value and being able to clear space for him.

I also can’t wait to see the game we play you. Its going to be some lights out goaltending on both sides.

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by BluesTiger on Nov 4, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, you lucked out on that deal for sure. As I said, I felt the Habs had the right plan, but the wrong execution. Lars Eller just ain’t enough, and then they compounded the mistake by letting Jesus Price’s contract situation fester.

Hopefully you guys wear those sweet third jerseys for that game. For my money, those are some of the nicest looking threads in sports.

Free Brad Marchand!

by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should trade Brad Marchand. :)

by MattS on Nov 4, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Touche. :)

Free Brad Marchand!

by Phunwin on Nov 4, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn!
The only thing I’ll give you is that now is the time to sell! His stock can’t get much higher! But isnt that true of any hot player?
After that, you lose me!

Tim Thomas- the perrenial backup: post lockout
2005-2006 Raycroft/Toivenan number 1 goalie! Tim Thomas leads the team with 38 Game Played.
2006-2007 Toivonen number 1 goalie! Tim Thomas 66 Games played!
2007-2008 Alex Auld number 1 Goalie! Tim Thomas 57 Games Played!
2008-2009 Manny Fernandez Number 1 Goalie! Tim Thomas 54 games played!
Wins the Vezina as best goalie ( not bad for a backup ) and gets a huge $5M per year pay day!
Tim Thomas deserves everything he’s getting, including the so-called albatross of a contract!
2009-2010 has poor stats playing behind a team that was last in offense for the year, injures his hip and is unable to get a start in the playoffs. Forced to watch the “chosen one” and the rest of the team drop 4 in a row!
What more does this guy have to do? He’s outplayed Raycroft, Toivonen,Auld and Fernandez! Rask had a good year last year as a rookie, splitting time with TT and I believe he has a good shot at becoming the future, but I’m not convinced the future is now! He was in goal when those four in a row happened. He didn’t steal any games, not that it would have mattered, but he looks great and he is signed through next year, so why screw with a sure thing!
You’re right in that he would bring a good return, but then you’re left with! UUKK as the number 1 and RaycroftAuldToivenanFernandez as a back up. No Thanks!
I don’t give two flying friggs about PC and his assest management, I care about where they finish and Timmy Tommy is poised to backstop this team into june!

by SkateHitShoot on Nov 4, 2010 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Alex Auld was never supposed to be the #1 guy. Timmy and Manny split starts for much of the 08-09 season. There was no real starter until Manny got hurt and Timmy emerged.

The whole Tim Thomas underdog “no respect” story gets old for me. The dude is making $6 million this year.

If there is one thing we know about Tim Thomas, it is that he is extremely streaky. He might have a solid year, but he can’t keep up this pace.

I’m not sure trading him would be the best move at this point, but Phunwin makes a good point that his value will never be higher than it is right now.

by Stanley Cup of Chowder on Nov 5, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right (again) about Auld. The B’s got him after Thomas got hurt in December of 07!
Phunnie always makes great points in his writings, and this is no exception, I’m at a point where I’m very comfortable with the goaltending position for the Bruins for the forseeable future and I think its the strongest they’ve been in goal in quite a few years. The thought of trading Thomas now, even though his stock may never be higher, seems nearly outrageous to me. I just can’t agree that asset management would be a good reason to take a solid postion and turn it into a question mark!

by SkateHitShoot on Nov 5, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s indisputably a team element and a chemistry element to team sports. I think that element is dramatically overrated;

I guess if you look at a team statistically, chemistry wouldn’t be important, but I would certainly applaud a team that loses yet stands up for each other at everyturn, because eventually that chemistry will lead to winning!

by SkateHitShoot on Nov 4, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

No. It is not.

Everyone is talking about how lucky we are to have two great goalies in Boston. Sorry, we don’t have two great goalies. We have one great goalie – a proven commodity on a hot streak – and we have Tuukka Rask.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Tuukka can be the next Tim Thomas. Someday. But he has done nothing in two games to even faintly suggest that this is his year.

Can he be a top 10 goaltender? Maybe. Someday. Not now. Thomas is playing like, well, a Top 1 goaltender. Ride this racehorse as long as you can, Boston.

I’m just starting to convalesce from the Joe Thornton trade. Please. No more asset management. It’s time for a Stanley Cup in Boston, and Tuukka, bless his heart, is not going to take us there anytime soon.

by Evil Dave on Nov 5, 2010 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Ride this racehorse as long as you can, Boston.

I just hope Thomas isn’t the rabbit in this race and get burned out before the quarter pole.

by Stanley Cup of Chowder on Nov 5, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t be the first time.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Nov 5, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

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