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What's the best option with Toronto's pick, and for offense next year?


Toronto is pretty well established as a bottom 2 maybe 3 team in the league.  So the B's can reasonably expect a top 5 pick in part of the Kessel deal - so where should they go?

Taylor Hall seems like a popular top 3 guy, a couple defenders but then it seems like most of the forwards are young or have a lot of Q's in parts of there games.

Is a guy like Seguin really a top 5 pick, sounds like a solid 2 way player with scoring ability -but who is any rookie going to be able to step in and make an offensive impact right away?

Beyond the draft, what do the B's do to improve offense?  Are guys like Ryder or Sturm tradeable?   What to get that's an improvement?  Can Nathan Horton or a similar player be had for draft picks and moderate trade considerations?   Can Savard come back from an injury filled season and play at a high level?

Despite Chara's age, the D seems to be looking okay going into next year.  Stuart, Boychuck and Hunwick all continue to grow, and if they can resign Seidenberg, that's a solid 4 to mingle in with Chara and Wideman until those contracts expire or can be moved.

What are the best moves for the B's this off season?

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move Thomas and Wideman anywhere. Draft the best 2-way defensemen available in the 1st. Pick up a gritty veteran to stand in front of the net like Tkachuk. Trade Recchi for someone younger but with the tools to develop. Ryder and Sturm? Probalbly keep them. Value isn’t great, they produce, and I doubt we will get any improvement in a trade. Pretty much set at goal with Tuukka. Let the prospects develop.

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by Parental Advisory on Mar 16, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

who is any rookie going to be able to step in and make an offensive impact right away?

Not every draft pick has to step in immediately. They can develop. Pick the best player/prospect available when your number comes up.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 16, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree - it's hard to look at the B's next year and see improvement knowing this

There is a pretty good mix of veteran leadership and experience with youthful depth behind it – especially on D and in net – I just don’t see how they can improve scoring going into next year, either via the draft or FA or trade.

by JonnyNYC on Mar 17, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

draft wise, any of the top 3 picks are going to fit the team well. number 1 and 2 are scoring machines in taylor hall or tyler seguin, then cam fowler has really picked up his production this year, and is a point per game defenseman against better competition than hes seen in the past. any one of those guys will be solid nhl players. then, there is a lot of decent production in the middle of the first round, which is probably where theyll be picking second, so either way, they should have a good draft.

trade wise… wideman, thomas and ryder. those are the three guys that are very much expendable. if they can get rid of any of those three, that will very much alleviate the salary situation and help us out in the long run. Even if they can ditch wideman for a few rolls of tape and a used copy of slapshot, or ryder just for the sense of giving up salary. thomas is still valuable, even though he comes with a ridiculous salary, but a guy a year removed from the vezina, someone will probably take a gamble on him. We cant trade sturmface. hes our leading goal scorer, and thats exactly what we need.

as to what they can pick up, maybe like a patrick sharp… chicago needs to dump quite a bit of salary, and we have some youth to offer/picks, and it seems they have a plethera of guys that can put the puck in the net. if we open up some salary, we could probably make a move with them…

metropolit is coming up as a free agent again, and montreals front office sucks, so maybe hell get out of town, he could provide the team with a little more grit, same with stephane yelle. maybe someone thats looking to be a free agent in 2011 will become available, as i dont see a lot of scoring potential with the salary that the bruins will have available. thus, unless we can get rid of some useless salary, we might be screwed again next year…

by BlueNGoldBomber on Mar 16, 2010 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Best idea

pick up seq and best defence men and hope for next years talent is better

by Brights on Mar 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it’s foolish to trade off Thomas or any of our defense. Goaltending was never the issue with this team. Yeah Rask has played better but Thomas isn’t exactly bottom of the barrel here. He makes for a solid number two until his contract is up if you ask me. Plus everyone thinks he’s paid way too much at his age to be able to move him anyways. If the B’s can get some offense together it doesn’t matter too often who is in goal because the team defense is pretty solid to help those guys out. The only way a trade would make sense is if it brought in proven offense. Hopefully someone who can move with Bergeron or (hopefully) Savard. Someone like Parise or Kessler. Someone who seems to care. I just don’t see anything like that on this team outside of Bergeron. I was starting to feel like Savard was getting it until Cooke scrambled his noggin.

by GrantR on Mar 19, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

No one is going to take on Wideman’s salary. He is easily the most overpaid D in the NHL right now. We can just expect to be stuck with him for at least 3 more years.

Thomas could be traded. He could find a home in Chicago or Washington. I personally think the B’s should keep him, but if they wanted to move him I doubt they would have much trouble.

I say first priority is to find someone that can play with Savard. If they find a winger that can take his passes, that’s 30 goals easy right there. After that or in the process I’m more than happy to part ways with Wheeler and Ryder. You could throw Satan on Kerjci’s wing and maybe bring in someone that is a good fit for him. Both Satan and Krejci are very methodical players, put another guy on that line with similar qualities and that could be a stupidly productive line. I like Bergeron’s line as is. I don’t see any reason why Recchi should retire. He still has the legs and the skill. Fourth line is tricky. I really like Pallie’s playing but he just doesn’t fit anywhere in the roster. Of course I’m assuming Lucic can find his game and he is back up on the first line to clear the way for Savard. If not maybe throw Pallie there and see what happens.

Defense…I really like Chara and Siedenberg together. We can keep Stuart and Wideman together and hope Mark cracks Dennis in the head a few times or something so he doesn’t turn the puck over every time he is on the ice. Then tell Hunwick that the Bruins are moving to Africa. Put him on a plane and hope to hell he just gets lost somewhere. Find a decent, rugged D to play along side Boychuck.

There, that is my recipe for Bruins domination. Having said that, PC will now trade away half the team in the off season and we can drown our sorrows with Leaf’s fans for the next 5 years.

by MattS on Mar 21, 2010 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

If the B's could get Bobby Ryan for a Package With Toronto's 1st this season would you do it?

I would, especially if it was a top three pick. Hall, Seguin, and Fowler all look good (really good). I just think the B’s need someone who can come in immediately and produce. The B’s can’t be sure any of these guys can come in and be “The Piece”, Bobby Ryan has already proved what he can do…in the much tougher Western Conference. Ryan has the intangibles people in Boston like: Size, Emotion, Passion, and the ability to actually put the puck in the fucking net. Trade for Ryan and resign him for 5 yrs 25Mil. I know the cap is tight, but if Toronto can find takers for Blake, Toskala and Finger and Exelby this summer…I think the B’s can find takers for Ryder and Wides (at least one of the two). I really like Ryan, and I feel he would fit this Boston team well, and if Anaheim has a chance at Hall or Seguin I think they’ll bite.

by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Mar 21, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

The Bruins definitely plan on using hall or seguin in the lineup immediately if they draft them. Toronto looks to be doing its annual “march out of the lottery” though, so we’ll see.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus - I don't see how Bobby Ryan could be made available by the Quacks

For every reason you like him, they’ve got to like him as well. hard guy to pry away without it costing the B’s a lot.

Moving Ryder would be good, maybe package a young D like Hunwick in there also – not sure that plus a top 5 or 10 pick can get you Ryan.

by JonnyNYC on Mar 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya good point man If the pick is 4-10 I don’t think it can get done, but I do believe if the pick happens to be one of the big three Anaheim could go for it. I think Hall , Fowler and Seguin are going to be really good, I just feel Bobby Ryan fits this team better in terms of what they need right now (the things I listed above). I was also talking to a couple of my buddies who are huge Quacks fans and they said it’s looking like Nieds and Wisniewski won’t be back…not sure how much truth is behind that but they seemed pretty sure. That would leave Visnovsky, Eminger, Festerling, Sbisa, and Oystrick. Here is how I see it: I think if the pick is 1 or 2 a deal for Ryan can get done. Hall would immediately fill Ryan’s hole….Seguin would give them a better 2nd/3rd Center then they have already. If it is 3rd and it is true about Wis and Nieds I also think the deal can be done because their defense would need a severe facelift and Fowler would be a great start. I feel if the the Toronto pick ends up a 1-2 the package will be good, but not too huge, if it’s the 3rd it could still be done but the package would be bigger. Highly doubtful it would ever get done, but it would be nice, I’ve been a huge fan of Bobby’s for a while. Toronto has a very difficult final few games. Florida is the only team out of the hunt that they play. After that it’s Atlanta, Rangers, Pitt, Atlanta, Buffalo, Boston, Philly, Rangers, Montreal. 7 of those games are against teams that need wins to end the season, because they are fighting for the final few playoff spots. I don’t see Toronto having a huge run out of the basement just because the teams they are playing to finish this season have a lot to play for, unlike in past seasons

by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Mar 22, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why not just get the guy who’s going to be on the rookie contract, then? Boston has done a pretty miserable job of managing the cap in some cases, no reason to trade excellent rookie for excellent non-rookie.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 23, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying I wouldn’t like Bobby Ryan on the team, mind you, but I don’t think it really makes sense.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 23, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's possible but Bobby Ryan vs a Top 3 pick is solid to me

The Cap is the cap, I don’t think it should prevent a move like this if it was possible in anyway.

Again – Bobby Ryan is what 3 years into the league and a top3 draft pick himself.

If you are remaking a team, why would you move your young talent which you can build around?

I would think for cap purposes Ryder or Wideman could be mentioned here to help fill the Ducks out, but really this would be a terrible deal for them to do.

by JonnyNYC on Mar 23, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya looking back If the B’s get a shot at one of those guys it would be smarter to keep them. I still really like Bobby Ryan, but going with any of those guys would be damn good also.

by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Mar 23, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also - most of the buzz about Hall is offensive

I can’t find anything that speaks to his 2way play, scrappy nature or things along these lines.

Did the B’s just trade Phil Kessel because he was a one way scoring machine?

by JonnyNYC on Mar 23, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Ya that’s what I’m worried about (if it happens that Boston has a chance for him). It would be like trading Kessel for Kessel 2.0. I’m no scout and I’ve only seen Hall play a few times, but he looks like another Kessel………In other Hall news did you guys hear Bobby Orr is his agent, thought that was pretty interesting.

Is there any word on if Seguin can play the wing. The B’s have a log jam at center. Savard and Krejci signed long term, and although Bergy’s contract is up next season i think he is a must resign, plus Colborne, Caron, Hamill, and Sobotka waiting to get their chance. Bergy shows more heart and passion then anyone on the team game in and game out and should be given a new contract, so all 3 center spots seem to be filled for a while. Krejci (if Savard comes back to form) seems like the weakest of the three and he is pretty damn good. Could Seguin switch to fill a need for the B’s, maybe RW. A top line of Lucic Savard Seguin would have good potential to be a very good first line, at the very least it would be more effective then Lucic Savard Satan like the B’s had for a while this season. If Wides could be moved, Recchi stays around for another season, and Seidenberg Thornton Sobotka Boychuk McQuaid Stuart and Wheeler resign the team would be:

Lucic Savard Seguin
Wheels Krejci Ryder
Recchi Bergeron Sturm
Marchand Sobotka Thornton

Chara Seidenberg
Stuart Hunwick
McQuaid Boychuk

Rask
Thomas

That would be a good 6-4 place team in the Eastern Conference with an outside chance at winning the Northeast and becoming a top 3 team. Not really sure about the Cap, but it doesn’t seem to unrealistic due to no real big salary changes besides Seguin and his bonus’. What Wheeler Stuart and Seidenberg’s new contracts are is the hold up, but that’s up to Chia to figure out. Then at the end of next season relief will come in with Ryder Chara Bergeron and Sturm either leaving or getting new lower cap salaries. I’d assume both Sturm and Ryder would be gone. I think Chara will get a new contract with the B’s. I highly doubt Chara’s new contract will have a cap hit of 7.5Mil, probably closer to 6-6.5, or lower if he agrees to one of those front loaded low Cap Number deals (if they aren’t outlawed by then). Bergeron I have no idea about I’d assume about the same or a little higher, depending on his health and durability.

by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Mar 23, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. The Bruins traded Kessel because they couldn’t pay him as much as he wanted.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Mar 24, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

They could, they just didn't want too

They had the cash he was asking for, just didn’t think he was worth it in the end.
So I guess to that point a Kessel-like player on a rookie contract is easier to swallow, but that would seem short sighted to me if at the end of the day it’s not the type of player they’ll offer long term cash toward

by JonnyNYC on Mar 24, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler Seguin

I’d personally take Seguin over Hall, but I think either guy will make the final roster coming out of training camp.

But considering our D, both Cam Fowler and Eric Gudbrandsen look seriously good value. Our 2nd pick definitely needs to go on a Defenseman as we are a little light down at the farm. Maybe we should package our 1st and Toronto’s 2nd to move up?

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by Kernowboy on Mar 28, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

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