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The Canadiens are Dishonest




There is a phrase you hear a lot in hockey circles that some casual fans might find difficult to understand.  Sometimes when discussing another team you hear some version of, 'that's a good "honest" hockey team'.  Two of our own, Andy Brickley and Bob Beers, use this term quite often and sometimes home fans find it frustrating, because they use this term when referring to teams like the Philadelphia Flyers, who we hate, or the Detroit Red Wings, who are so frustratingly good.  What are they talking about when they use the term 'honest'?  Well the easiest way to define what they mean is to show you the team that is the complete antithesis of 'honest'.  That team would be the Montreal Canadiens

The casual fan might think they are a nice stand-up team that just wants to play the game with speed and skill.  In fact what they are is everything that is bad about the NHL.  I despise the Flyers, with players like Daniel Carcillo, Chris Pronger and Scott Hartnell, but the fact is they play the game the right, 'honest' way.  They don't mind delivering a bone crunching hit, and they play on the edge, but they also understand that when you do that someone's going to have to stand up and take the consequences.  They don't run and hide.  Unlike the Canadiens, the Flyers tough guys stand up and take care of business instead of turtling and forcing skill guys to have to stand there and take a beating.  What the Canadiens did last night (and always do) was a disgrace.  If PK Subban is going to take cheap shots at guys he HAS to answer the bell and he won't.

When an honest player on an honest team has to fight he does it the right way.  What I really like about guys like Lucic and Thornton and even the despised Daniel Carcillo is that when they have to throw down they understand why they're there, what they have to do, and they take care of business.  They invite a guy of fairly equal fighting prowess to go.  They then drop the gloves and allow their opponent to do the same.  They square up with the guy and don't try to get the jump on him when he's not ready, and then it's on.  They also know when the fight's over.  They don't ever hit a guy when he's vulnerable because they respect that the other guy stepped up and know how hard it is to do. 

Then you get teams like the Canadiens and the Dallas Stars who have no idea about respect and honor.  They will always take the cheap shot and never step up and fight the way they should.  And even when they do you get a guy like Steve Ott, who will always try to get the jump on a guy and will throw a punch when he knows the fight's over and the other guy is vulnerable like Gregory Campbell was the other night.

Finally, a good honest team doesn't take dives.  This is one of the most despicable acts in all of hockey.  It will gain a player a bad reputation so fast and he will never get rid of it.  We all remember Mike Ribeiro used to do this constantly in Montreal.  Ribeiro had such a bad reputaton that even his own teammates didn't like him and he was traded to Dallas.  The funny part is this is still one of the main tactics the Canadiens like to use to get power plays.  That is fine but they have to expect the beatings they are going to take and the disrespect they have to endure throughout the league.  Mark Recchi was asked a couple of years ago about the Canadiens habit of taking dives and what he said was telling, "We didn't play like that when I was there."  Usually when a player is asked a question like that he won't take the bait.  Implicit in Recchi's answer was that he completely agreed with the premise of the question.

I say all this because it makes me very proud to be a fan of a good, hard, 'honest' team.  They are the only team that has stepped up and taken responsibility when one of their own hit a player with head shot (whether you agree with the way Ference did it or not).  They don't take dives and I don't ever remember seeing a Bruin fight another player and not do it the 'right' way .  This was best illustrated two years ago when Milan Lucic fought Mike Komisarek in the playoffs.  Komisarek wanted a little payback because Lucic cleaned his clock earlier in the series.  Lucic had probably had enough at that point and didn't have to fight him, but he did anyway.  When they gave each other the nod, Lucic quickly dropped his gloves and had a clean shot to turn out Komisarek's lights if he wanted to.  Instead he actually waited another second while Komi was able to get his gloves off and defend himself.  It didn't really matter because Lucic turned out his lights anyway with one punch.  As Komi was falling Lucic clearly had a chance to drill him again and probably hurt him.. He didn't do it.  Why?  Because it is against thet code that good 'honest' players and teams play by.  The Montreal Canadiens would now nothing about this which is why most other teams in the league probably really enjoyed the beating the Bruins gave them last night.

 
    

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This should be,,,

This should be mandatory reading for ANYONE that calls themselves a hockey fan.

by Shannon ONeill on Feb 11, 2011 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

Good post.

I don’t agree with is the stuff about Lucic always upholding “the code” and not punching guys in vulnerable spots. He has gotten carried away on a few occasions especially a few years ago when he would continue to wail away on guys on the ice. Thornton, on the other hand upholds the code better than anyone I have ever seen. I have never seen him hit a guy in a vulnerable position. Case and point: go back at watch the Dallas game. In that fight, Thornton actually stops and calls in the linesmen when he sees that his opponent is hurt.

As for Philly: Carcillo answers the bell. I will give him that. Scott Hartnell is a despicable piece of garbage.

by Stanley Cup of Chowder on Feb 12, 2011 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

I hate it when people call Thornton a goon

because you are right, he plays by the code always. Lucic does get carried away, and it bothers me at times.

by Marisa Ingemi on Feb 12, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

great post, I agree

hate the flyers and carcillo is questionably dirty at times, but a clean fighter. I cant stand the habs for alot of reasons, at least i can respect the yankees. the lakers and habs are concited trash that disgrace thier respective sports

by muffinman on Feb 12, 2011 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Nice article. I don’t fully agree with the Lucic comments in the article but everything about Montreal is dead on.

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by AdamBruinsFan21 on Feb 12, 2011 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

Thanks everyone for the compliments, as well as the criticisms (obviously I see Looch a little differently than some others) on my post. All are fair. And thanks AdamBruinsFan for tweeting it. I checked out your site. Good stuff. I will add it to favorites and check it often.

by Higgs on Feb 12, 2011 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for checking it out, I appreciate it.

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by AdamBruinsFan21 on Feb 16, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Could not agree any more...

Unfortunately for me, I grew up in surrounded by Montreal Canadiens fans right in their back yard. I knew no other Bruins fans growing up , other than my dad, me and my little brother. My only solace was that I could on occasion route along with Nordiques fans against the Habs, so in other words I am an expert on the hated Canadiens having collected 18 years of first hand observations.

To call the Canadiens ‘dishonest’ is accurate and let me just show you the ways with recent example at no extra cost. Remember back on Dec 16, we played the Canadiens in a tense match up. On numerous occasions the Bruins tried to get anybody from the team to go one on one.

This game is where P.K. Subban got a big hit on his admitted friend Brad Marchand. This is also the game where he showed off his amazing skill at skating backward away from trouble while also ‘slew-footing’ Gregory Campbell. Here is the quote from figure skater Subban about that incident… “I didn’t really want to fight, our team wasn’t in a position where we needed that. So I just tried to stay in the game and force him to do something, we drew a penalty out of it and ended up scoring on the power play. So that’s the type of game I want to play, just in your face and hopefully good things come out of it.” WOW!!! In other words I want to act like a tough guy, deliver big hits and then in scrums with plenty of linesmen and team-mates around I’ll get in your face but then once it’s time for me to step-up and back up all my talk like a man, well that’s where I’ll cower and hopefully get the ref to call a roughing minor on you. Does that seem like good honest play?

The only guy on their team who did eventually fight was their Captain who had to make a statement for the team after all the figure skating performed by Subban and Lapierre, and even then he skated backwards for 9 seconds (after agreeing to fight the known pugilist David Krejci) pleading with the linesman to step in. Look at the linesman shake his head ‘no’ forcing Cammalleri to follow through on his taunt. By the way, this was both players first fight even in their careers. Krejci 4 years and Cammalleri 6 years.

Montreal fans who despite their obnoxious, insufferable and holier than thou ways, are still very knowledgeable hockey fans and they were screaming at the team for their yellow dogs’ ways. Eventually the Montreal brass saw that this sort of dishonest play was going to be a huge problem and traded Lapierre because he was showing the very talented rookie Subban the wrong way to play the game. Unfortunately the damage was done, and Subban has been labeled.

Even Joffrey Lupul with 5 fights to his name in 6 years of play wanted to throw down against Subban, and here is what I saw. (Shout out to whoever invented the DVR, mankind’s greatest invention). Lupul, who’s name is a palindrome by the way, challenged Subban, who accepted much to my dismay and they BOTH start to take of their helmets. NO REALLY, WATCH THE REPLAYS IN SLOW MOTION! I DID LIKE 72 TIMES much to my wife’s displeasure. SUBBAN fakes as if he is going to remove the strap but instead cocks and fires. Not exactly honest play again…

The team as a whole is renowned for pushing up to the limit, and then seeking refuge in a linesman, or teammate. Montreal fans and more notably the press have been lamenting the team’s lack of grit saying that their dancing ways cannot compete against the likes of the Bruins, Flyers, Penguins and even the Rangers in the playoffs. They might win a series but eventually the stronger teams will wear them out.

But oh wizened blogger you say, what about the last game where the Canadians actually dropped their gloves and tried to step-up. Well it wasn’t Subban, who drew two roughing calls as is his plan and got a 10 min misconduct essentially having his ass saved by the refs at the end of the game. That last game against the Bruins where they ‘tried’ to step-up was only to try and shut the pundits up. "Look we can defend ourselves if we choose too…" Epic fail.

by douces3 on Feb 13, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

Or…
A slut nixes sex in Tulsa.
Every time I see Lupul’s name I think about palindromes – I’m glad I’m not the only one!

by phonymahoney on Feb 16, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Look at this one. . . Go hang a salami, I’m a lasagna hog

by douces3 on Feb 14, 2011 7:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

What a whiny ass post. Subban has more fighting majors than Lucic does this season. The reason Montreal’s skill guys had to fight Bruins the other night is because those are the only guys your goon squad WANTS to fight.

Hilarious that you guys bemoan guys like Carcillo when you employ idiots like Thornton and Campbell. Even more hilarious that you talk about Marchand like he’s an “honest” player, when he has ZERO career NHL fights, and he was taking liberties last week like nobody’s business.

Subban isn’t going to fight Campbell after a LEGAL check for the same reason Lucic didn’t fight Laraque a couple seasons ago, it’s not worth trading 5 minutes with a talentless nobody.

by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 15, 2011 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

I find it funny how your one “tough” guy found Andrew Ference to fight when Campbell, Thornton, and Boychuk were on the ice. Don’t give me that Ference roughed up Pleks either, that was nothing. Moen wanted to fight someone and Ference was who he chose. By the way if Hamerlik didn’t want Thornton to kick his ass he pprobably shouldn’t shoot the puck on net after the whistle. As far as, Subban not fighting Campbell because of skill level…I understand, honestly I do. What I don’t understand is why Subban also ducked Horton all game long. Please, inform me, what’s P.K’s excuse for ducking one of first liners and top players. Hell it actually probably would’ve been a smart play to him off the ice for 5 minutes since he dropped 5 points on the Habs that night.

by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Feb 15, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, the Bruins aren’t the only team to have a player stand up after his teammate doled out a headshot, Bill Guerin did it last year in Pittsburgh.

As for Lucic not trying to get the jump on people and always honouring the code? What a load of horse crap. Get your head out of your ass. Lucic constantly jumps people from behind, and as much as Komisarek is a meat head, Lucic continued to pound on him in that famous “fight” for a long time after Komisarek clearly injured his shoulder and wanted out. Lucic is a raging lunatic when he loses his temper, he doesn’t honour any BS code.

Point out exactly what cheap shot PK Subban needs to fight a Bruin over, please. Is it anywhere close to Chara two hand slashing Pacioretty for no reason? Is it as bad as Marchand running Subban from behind on an icing call (the most gutless play in hockey)? Or do you Bruins fans still have your panties in a wad over Subban’s “slew foot” on Campbell that was, in reality a stiff arm.

by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 15, 2011 1:25 AM EST reply actions  

Coming from a knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing Bruins fan, that’s a high compliment. Hopefully we’ll see you folks in the playoffs where real hockey is played, and where the Bruins always lose.

by Andrew Berkshire on Feb 15, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

What happened last time the Bruins played a playoff game in Montreal?

I think it involved a broom.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 15, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bruin Fans are LIARS

This article was so pathetic. The Bruins are goons and they only fight guys who they know they can beat, Lucic especially. When the Bruins fought the Stars, Ott beat Campbell in a good fight but you weasly Bruin fans are making excuses cuz your player got his @ss beat. Barch is the only other fighter on Dallas and Thorton won this round but Barch has beate him before. Barch got poked in the eye too so what does that tell you about Thorton? And whoever the wuss Bruinw as that fought Burish proved he was a wimp. Burish is not a fighter. Now look at the Montreal game, Lucic backed down from Moen TWICE. Then the Bruins beat up guys like Spacek and Pyatt, two NON-FIGHTERS!
The Bruins are a disgrace to hockey and so are their fans!!

by Sonny83065 on Feb 16, 2011 8:35 AM EST reply actions  

The Bruins should not be beating up Spacek, I agree.

Because he is bad.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 16, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

You’re right, I checked Spacek’s Wikipedia page, and he’s not a fighter. His name shows it out.

by Arenacale on Feb 17, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

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