Next season...
by BlueNGoldBomber on Jun 20, 2011 10:55 PM EDT
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PrintSo while the cup hangover may not be over (especially with a 156k bar tab), it is about time to start looking at next year.
Looking at this seasons team, there will presumably only be one retirement, that being Mark Recchi. The Bruins also have most of our existing roster under contract for next season. Only Michael Ryder, Thomas Kaberle and Shane Hnidy are going to be unrestricted free agents, while Brad Marchand is going to be a restricted free agent.
It is fair to assume that Marchand will be resigned. Kaberle and Ryder will be interesting to see, and who honestly cares about the "sheriff" (really like the guy, but how much can we expect him to contribute?). For the sake of this, let's assume that Marchand is signed to a 2.5 million dollar deal. Lines would probably look like this.
Lucic - Krejci - Horton
Marchand - Bergeron - Seguin
Peverley - Kelly - ________
Thornton - Campbell - Paille
Chara - Seidenberg
Mcquaid - ________
Boychuk - Ference
Thomas
Rask
Total salary - 50.39 million
Reports today are that the cap next year is going to be set at 64 million, leaving the team with just under 14 million in cap room. In my humble opinion, Kaberle is going to get around 3.5-4 million, and Ryder will get 2.5 or so. The Bruins will have the cap room to sign both of these players, but whether or not they will be willing to pony up that kid of money for them is a totally different story.
I don't think they will resign Kaberle. Yeah, they gave up a lot to get the guy. If and when they let Kaberle walk, it will basically mean they gave up Joe Colborne and a first round pick to have a guy on the roster that, honestly, didn't make them that much better. For some reason, Kaberle's game just didn't catch on in Boston. Not everone will be able to get into the flow with every team. However, the winning of the Stanley Cup makes Kaberle's walking a little easier to stomach. Anytime someone brings up the fact that Kaberle was a rental player, "meh, who cares, we won the cup."
Ryder, however, is a different story. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ryder sign a 1 or 2 year deal for 2.5ish. That would bring the team down to about 11 million in room.
For the other defense spot, we can pretty much pencil in Steven Kampfer. Put him on the second line with Adam Mcquaid, and you have 2 dynamic young players who play very different games, that will compliment each other nicely. Boychuk and Ference showed a lot of chemistry through the postseason, so lets agree that they will probably be the third line.
Kampfer on the second d pair only takes another 900k or so off the cap. Meaning that without making any major moves (apart from letting Kaberle walk), this team would go into the season with the entire roster having a good amount of chemistry, and 10 million dollars in cap room.
That cap room will be the key to the long term future, as after next season, the team will have to re-sign a bunch of players. David Krejci, Chris Kelly, Rich Peverley, Greg Campbell, Dan Paille, Shawn Thornton, Johnny Boychuk, Adam Mcquaid and Tuukka Rask all need to be re-signed after next season.
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One of two things happens:
1. A forward is called up, and a FA defenseman takes Kaberle’s place. Either way, Bruins are left with plenty of cap space, depending on the price tag of the D-man, to make trading deadline moves or long-term deals mid-season if need be (and with Krejci, you’ll probably want to).
2. Like you said, Kampfer gets called up, and they sign a forward (assuming Savard doesn’t come back); preferably a decent sniper. I don’t think Seguin goes to the second line quite yet; if they don’t get a quality second line guy, Peverley moves up with Bergeron and Marchand.
As for the year after, I can see Paille and Thornton walking, along with Kelly and possibly Campbell. I know that’s a lot, and it’s mostly at forward, but with Knight, Caron, Arneil, and quite likely whomever we take #9 this year all thriving in Providence for one more season, the Bruins would be able to go a bit top-heavy on the rest of the cap guys and supplement the bottom half of the roster with these prospects, without threatening the cap ceiling too closely.
And for what I think they do with Kaberle, I expect them to re-sign him. At best, you get the guy you expected him to be all along. At two firsts and a second, he should be able to produce. At worst, you have a piece of trade bait. I think he started to get assimilated with the defense-first system as the playoffs progressed, and will do just fine, so long as the price tag isn’t too high.
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by Johnny Appleseed on Jun 20, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
i agree with kelly walking. i doubt campbell and paille, they are damn good 4th liners, and you probably wont find someone for too much cheaper than they will be looking for. and if thornton does, i have a feeling itll be into retirement (he will be 35 then, about the right time for a 4th line enforcer.)
assuming kelly and ryder are gone by then, thatll leave 2 roster spots to knight, arniel, caron and any other people we may pick up. very doable
i am still saying that kaberle will walk. i am assuming that he will be looking for north of 4 million out of the team. do we really think that he is worth a million more than seidenberg?
and im calling it now, the number 9 pick will be ryan murphy (at least i hope the hell)
by BlueNGoldBomber on Jun 20, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Kaberle is worth as much as Seidenberg, nevermind more. I don’t think he’s bad, but Seidenberg is a goddamn stud IMO. Still, I’d like to see Kabs re-signed at $3m.
Thornton won’t leave unless he’s retiring, IMO, and if Kelly goes anywhere, it’ll be back to Ottawa, although having Chara and Chiarelli here may sweeten the pot for him in Boston. He also seems to click with the team.
Murphy at 9 for sure.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 20, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
agree with kelly
staying. hes not a well traveled guy, this is his 2nd team and he thrives in this system. he will be resigned
its all fun and games until someone gets pregnant. then its money wasted
Totally agree with you on Kelly on all counts. He won’t go back to Ottawa. I think he has to stay. When he shined for the Bruins, he SHINED!
by WeatherExperiment on Jun 23, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah keep our 4th
line before they float back up to heaven cuz they are divine
its all fun and games until someone gets pregnant. then its money wasted
this man
he speaks the truth
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 21, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I could go on and on, but I need to hit the sack, so a few quick thoughts:
-I’d like to see Ryder back here at around $2.5M.
-Is it out of the question to hope that they re-sign Kabs and then trade him? Or just let him walk and try to pry Weber or Yandle from their teams? Or forget about a puck-moving D since it seems most of us think Kampfer can fit the bill anyhow?
-Absolutely let the Sheriff go. Nice guy, but not an impact player by any means.
-I think we all feel Savvy won’t be back.
…If Ryder walks, what are your thoughts on these UFAs: Tanguay, Laich, Ville Leino, Jussi Jokinen, Erik Cole (doubting he’d leave the Canes though) ?
Suck it, Felger!
weber is a 0% chance…. hell get chara money
i doubt they will go after a defenseman this offseason, maybe if kaberle walks, they might look for one as the season goes on, if the rest of the corps doesnt get the job done (they have enough pieces to make it happen.)
if ryder walks, screw tanguay, never liked the guy. laich and leino i would be all about. wouldnt hate jokinen, would LOVE to see cole, but doubt he would leave
by BlueNGoldBomber on Jun 20, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
and savvy definately wont be back until well into next year, if ever (which doesnt look likely)
he could probably coach the power play into some competence though
by BlueNGoldBomber on Jun 20, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ha, i'd be alright with that
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 20, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
P.S.
Gagne’s got game, but he’ll get some serious $ and he’s been injury prone lately, so I think I’d like to pass. Same for Richards, who is super expensive and past his prime (overrated IMO – did he ever really have much of a “prime” to speak of? Debatable, I think.)
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 20, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
laich only.
idc about eh others.
its all fun and games until someone gets pregnant. then its money wasted
I’ve been on the Yandle train for about a year now. They won’t get him for Kaberle money, even with the hometown discount.
by Ryan Durling on Jun 21, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I likw Brooks Laich. I think his game would fit well with the team and the city. I dont see him play a lot but it appears as though hes a two way player that can play both wing and centre and score 20 goals or close to that. I say if the B’s can sign him go for it.
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
by beachguy113 on Jun 22, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we all feel Savvy won’t be back.
That is a very sad statement, indeed. I don’t want to count him out, but it wouldn’t surprise me if your statement rings true. Marc states that playing again "is really the furthest thing from (his) mind right now." That is hopeful. I would almost want him to stay out a full season and come back fully healthy in 2012-13. This would also give him enough time to figure out is the memory problems could persist or if they would totally subside.
by WeatherExperiment on Jun 23, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
love these discussions
HuLK line
March-Bergy-Pevs
Seguin-Kelly-Ryder (for 3.3 at the MOST)
Pie-Soup-Thor
Chara-Boychuck (rotate some guys with chara i say, he makes everyone look better)
Sides-Kabs (like to see him back but idk how much to give him)
McQuaid-Ference
if i could talk to PC i would say, “plz try to resign Krejci and rask first then see what u can work with to keep kelly and our fourth line together”
its all fun and games until someone gets pregnant. then its money wasted
our 4th line
is fuckin’ pro
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 21, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
pie soup thor
is a recipe for sucsess
its all fun and games until someone gets pregnant. then its money wasted
Paella and Soup? Lunch line!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 21, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
paella?
god i love making nicknames for my fav team
its all fun and games until someone gets pregnant. then its money wasted
Paella was a big-time nick-name for him around here at the beginning of the season
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 21, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
ive watched every bruins game for 4 years and havent heard that. (bruins fan since 1999)
its all fun and games until someone gets pregnant. then its money wasted
“around here” as in… SCOC. You haven’t seen the pictures of paella posted here?
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 21, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Thornton have any food-related nicknames?
There’s probably a drink or sandwich named “Shawn Thornton” around boston somewhere…
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
and a recipe for dinner
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 21, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Being an old school Bruins fan...
…I relate the nickname “Pie” with John “Pie” McKenzie. So I can’t come on board with Paille being “Pie.”
by WeatherExperiment on Jun 23, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s Paella or perhaps “Pie? YAY!”
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 24, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Thornton was calling him “Piesie” on the radio the other day. Lame. Paella it is!
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 24, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i like pie
the nickname not the dessert
You know how I said my profile pic would always be an animal? well, Chara's a BEAST!
but there's already pie mckenzie!
and my 8-year-old nephew’s nickname is pie… yeah, weird.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 24, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
d-men
Whether its Kaberle or someone like Brewer or Wisnewski I can’t believe that the Bruins are going into next season with just six d-men (including Kampfer). They are already pretty shallow in defense depth that scenario would be razor thin. I suspect that Kaberle will be back. It will be interesting to see what Chiarelli and his agent view as the market rate.
I am secretly hoping that Dougie Hamilton slides to the Bruins at #9 in this years draft. If he doesn’t I would love to see the B’s use that #9 pick along with what ever incentives it may take to pry Keith Yandle out of Phoenix. If that were to happen then signing Kaberle is less of an issue.
I know that Ryan Murphy could very well be he best talent in this years draft but his size does scare me. I’ve watched a few of his You tubes and he looks small next to his Junior teammates. Don Cherry loves Murphy, thinks he is the top guy in the draft. If he slides to #9 should the Bruins take a chance?
The Bruins almost have to come away with a quality d-man from this draft. A quality prospect like Hamilton, Murphy or Siemans or a young proven player like Yandle. Unless he is an uber talent like Murphy I also want him to be a big Canadian or American kid. Any other opinions?
I would like to see Yandle come here, but I think with Colby Cohen and Bartkowski waiting in the wings, the Bruins aren’t as shallow on D as they look.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 21, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
d-men prospects
No offense but those are marginal prospects. Ryan Button and Tommy Cross are better prospects and at that they are un-proven long shots. I want a young guy that projects into a top two or three guy in your d-man rotation. The Bruins may not get a selection as high as #9 for some time. I want a Tyler Myers, PK Subban type that can “carry the water” when Chara slows down.
Why would I be offended by that?
I am not Colby Cohen!
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 21, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
murphy isn’t really that small. he is a touch short (somewhere between 5’10 and 5’11), and very thin at about 170 pounts. however, having a professional quality strength and conditioning program will solve that problem…. he put up 79 points in 63 games against the cream of the crop. no question he was on the ice against opponents top guys every night, and he put up better than a point a game as a defensemen. no question that if he is available at 9, you take him.
by BlueNGoldBomber on Jun 21, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, Don Sweeney was small, too, and he did alright.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 21, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the most likely scenario is that both Ryder and Kaberle are re-signed. I think most of you are being a little to optimistic with there costs. If we get both for under a combined $6.5 mil (perfect world $3 mill each), I’d be very happy, chances are it’ll be closer to $7.5. I think Kaberle still has value on the market. I’m thinking 2 years max for each of them.
I wouldn’t go after much on the FA market, we need cap space for next season.
Right now I’m most interested in the draft. It would be great if Hamilton slips but the chances are pretty much 0. Beaulieu could get to 9 but unlikely. I think if he’s there PC/Cam take him, he’s more well-rounded, great skater, great shot, where as Murphy is a liablity on D, but he is also a potential superstar. I’d be happy with either, my fear is all 4 of the Dmen are gone at 9th.
by MTLsBiggestBsFan on Jun 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
In Kaberle's defense,
he hasn’t been on a playoff team in years, and has been with the Leafs for over a decade – of course it was gonna take some time for him to get used to a new team and system. On top of that, I think we’re laying too muxch of the blame for our PP woes on him when it seems to be more of a coaching issue than anything.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 21, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
kaberle is definately a hell of a player, but i am guessing that he will wind up getting 4 million or so
by BlueNGoldBomber on Jun 22, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
NHL draft
Predicting the NHL draft order is impossible. Also, as much of a hockey fan as I am I’ve only seen You Tube out takes of any of these young players. So to prefer one over another is foolish. You just have to hope that the Bruins and their staff have done a good job scouting. But one of these d-men ( Hamilton, Beaulieu, Murphy or Siemen) is likely to be on the board at #9.
I would really like to see an A+ defenseman prospect in the Bruins system, even if he is a kid that will take a few years to get here.
Ive seen bealieu play a few times, so i will omit him from this comparison (big and slow sums it up)
however, you are right in saying that hamilton siemens or murphy will be available, and you are also right in saying that any one of those 3 will be a dynamite defensive prospect.
by BlueNGoldBomber on Jun 21, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
In the draft I would hope they can draft a stud on D whether it be an offensive or defensive guy. The forward group is young and talented and needs to supplement that with some top level blueline prospects. Look at the Bruins first line (krejci, Lucic, and Horton) and second line Bergeron and Marchand) plus Seguin they are all 26 and younger and that is a bright top 6 future. Add some top defensemen and I am a happy Bruins fan.
As for Kaberle, I kind hope he resigns for a reasonable value. I would hate to see him walk for nothing after what was paid at the deadline even though the B’s won the Cup. I still think if he starts the year with this team and gets into the flow of how this team operates he will be a much better player. Bring Ryder back but not at a steep price. Hes just too inconsistent IMO.
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
I don’t mind letting Kabs and Ryder go. I also don’t have a problem with them re-signing, as long as it’s for about half what they made this past season. Caron and Kampfer will mature into really solid players I think, I have no problem putting them in the line up.
If Savy does retire, the B’s have a very decent chunk of cap space, so I think PC might try to make a move for a big(ish) name player. Pretty sure Weber and Parise are still UFAs, just sayin’.
For #18
There aren’t enough drugs in this world to get Kaberle to sign a 2 million dollar deal. That said I’d totally take him back at a reasonable rate.
Ryder’s agent and Chiarelli apparently haven’t talked, though.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 24, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you on Kabs, if reasonable. I wouldn’t mind the exact same team next year!
Maybe they haven’t talked because before the playoffs started, nobody but CJ thought there was a chance of Ryder coming back next year, !
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Slightly Off Topic
Hey guys, I wasn’t sure if you heard.
THE BRUINS WON THE STANLEY CUP!!!!
Sometimes glass glitters more than diamonds because it has more to prove.
Heard about that. Great news!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 24, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle in the mix
The drafting of Hamilton has made the signing of Kaberle (or another NHL ready d-man) essential for next year. There had remained the possibility of using the 9th overall pick and prospects to bring in a ready to go d-man. Now however, the B’s have their “high ceiling” d-man prospect. There is no need to deplete the prospect pool to replace the number 5-6 defenseman. Re-signing Kaberle or another UFA can achieve that goal.
I like Kampfer, but as a depth guy. I’m not crazy about him being in the everyday rotation and then looking towards Bartkowski / Button for injury replacement.
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