What's Next for Bruins? (Part 2)
In part 1 of this series, we talked about the Bruins' organization, from the top down, and a look at what sort of help might be expected from the minor leagues. This time, let's take a look at what the Bruins are looking at for the salary cap, and free agency.
At this moment, the Bruins have $52.2 million committed to 18 players on the active roster. The salary cap is going to rise to $64 million.. On its face, the cap situation looks promising. However, the Bruins may be facing bonus penalties of an as-yet undetermined amount. Any performance bonuses that push the team over the cap have to be charged as a penalty the next season. Unfortunately, this is one of the downsides of long term injured reserve, of which the Bruins made liberal use this season. We'll know in the next couple weeks what the bonus penalty (if any) is. However, for the sake of argument, let's assume the Bruins have $10 million in cap room at present, a happy medium between the best and worst case scenarios.The Bruins have five free agents on the active roster: Brad Marchand, Michael Ryder, Mark Recchi, Tomas Kaberle and Shane Hnidy. Recchi has already stated his intention to skate off into the sunset, and bravo for him. One assumes he will be enshrined in Toronto in his first year of eligibility. It may not seem like a huge loss, but Recchi provided quality production (48 points, with 7 points in the Stanley Cup Finals) at a reasonable cap hit ($1.95 million).
Hnidy can also be dispensed with quickly; he was signed solely for depth purposes, and with so many young defensemen in the organization competing for a job, Hnidy figures to be out of work. He may be joining Recchi on the retirement line, but probably not in the Hall of Fame. A two-way contract where he started the season with Providence might be a possibility, if the team feels that having a pugilist with minimal hockey skill on standby is necessary.
Marchand is a restricted free agent, so the Bruins are in the driver's seat in terms of getting him back. I would be extremely surprised if he leaves, but it will be interesting to see which approach they take with him. When Blake Wheeler hit RFA status, the Bruins opted for a one year, "wait and see" type deal. When Milan Lucic and David Krejci hit RFA status, they received multi-year deals. Marchand's production was something of a surprise, even to his ardent supporters, and so while it's likely they will opt for a long term deal, I wouldn't completely rule out a 1 year contract to make sure he's not a fluke.
Marchand is not arbitration eligible, but two recent contracts give us a decent idea of his market value. Andrei Kostitsyn resigned with Montreal for 1 year and $3.25 million, and Drew Stafford resigned with Buffalo for 4 years and $16 million. Kostitsyn had 20 goals and 25 assists this season, almost identical to Marchand's production (21-20-41). Stafford (31-21-52) probably represents the high end of Marchand's compensation range. Both Kostitsyn and Stafford had a longer track record of NHL success, but Marchand has a strong Stanley Cup playoff performance under his belt. I would ultimately guess his contract will be around 3 years and $10 million, allowing the Bruins to have him under RFA control one last time when the contract ends.
Next, we come arguably the two most polarizing players on the Bruin roster: Tomas Kaberle and Michael Ryder. Both are unrestricted, and, in a just and fair world, would be looking at a pay cut. Kaberle made $4.25 million last year, and Ryder $4 million. I've defended Kaberle at some length already, so I won't repeat myself here, except to add that he finished the season with a 9.3 GVT, which would be second on the Bruin defense. By the numbers, he was Boston's third best defenseman in the playoffs, and while that may be damning by faint praise, Kaberle is worth retaining if possible. But while Kaberle played well in Boston, he did not accomplish what he was acquired to do: fix the power play. And while it may be a valid question as to whether expectations for Kaberle were unfairly high, the fact remains that the power play stunk with him at the helm.
We'll get into the woes that afflict the defense and power play another time. But disappointing or no, Kaberle is still more solution than problem. The question is what he will be paid. Bringing him back for another $4.25 million seems unthinkable, but there are two types of defensemen that are always overpaid in the UFA market: puck movers and Stanley Cup winners. Guess who fits both those criteria? For comparison purposes, take a look at what some of the puck movers in last year's free agent market received: Sergei Gonchar got 3 years and $16.5 million at the age of 37. Derek Morris got 4 years and $11 million coming off a terrible season. Jordan Leopold got 3 years and $9 million (although unlike Gonchar and Morris, at least he can look himself in the mirror and say "I'm earning my paycheck" with a straight face). Joe Corvo got 2 years and $4.5 million after he did his level best to crash the Capitals bandwagon into the Potomac.
The good news (or bad news if you're part of the burgeoning anti-Kaberle movement) is that an otherwise weak free agent market is flooded with mobile defensemen. Bryan McCabe, Andrei Markov, Joni Pitkanen, James Wisniewski, Christian Ehroff, Kevin Bieksa, Sami Salo, Steve Montador, Anton Babchuk, and Marc-Andre Bergeron can all run a power play and move the puck, and are all UFAs. With supply high, Kaberle's salary demands may come down. Or, that Stanley Cup ring may tack on another million bucks. Thus, estimating Kaberle's salary range might as well be an exercise in dart-throwing, but I'll guess that someone gives him 4 years and $16 million. At that price, I think Boston lets him walk.
If Kaberle goes, as noted above, there are plenty of options in free agency. Or, the Bruins might opt to give Steven Kampfer a bigger role. He looked good in half a season of work, but tailed off as time went on. Kampfer absolutely is mobile, and should have the skills to run a power play. The money saved there might come in handy, as I'll demonstrate below.
The other free agent is the mercurial Michael Ryder. At this point, we know what we're getting with Ryder: a sublime offensive talent who would probably be an All-Star if he brought his A game every night. Defensively, he's mediocre on a good night, hopeless on a bad one. He's one of the better forwards on the power play (again, damning by faint praise), and probably hasn't killed a penalty since junior hockey. The bad news is that he brings his A game about once a week during the regular season. The good news is that he brought it for most of the playoffs, and for the entire Stanley Cup Finals. Ryder carried the Bruins offense in several games; there's no way they win that pivotal game 4 in Montreal without him and Chris Kelly. His 17 points were 4th on the Bruins and 9th overall in the playoffs. His 18-23-41 (and a 4.9 GVT) during the regular season didn't justify his $4M salary, but his playoffs certainly did.
Unlike Kaberle, Ryder may benefit from a soft marketplace. The market for forwards is exceptionally weak this year. Brad Richards will get paid big money, of course, and maybe Simon Gagne will as well (buyer beware)...and that's pretty much it. Coming off a very strong playoff run, after an indifferent regular season, Ryder may have salvaged his value. I can't imagine anyone giving him a $4 million per year deal, but $3 million wouldn't be a huge surprise.
The elephant in the room from the salary cap perspective is Marc Savard. At the time of signing, Savard's contract looked like a shrewd long-term investment. However, it now looks like a salary cap albatross. At $4 million per year through 2016-17, the best thing Savard could do for the organization is retire. He appears to be light years away from physical contact, let alone the grind of an 82 game NHL regular season. It is, at this point, all but impossible to imagine Marc Savard being a meaningful contributor to the Boston Bruins again.
(Please note: I don't wish to sound harsh saying that, but we're talking dollars and cents here; not feelings. Savard's a big boy, he can take it. And in any case, I doubt he reads this website.)
I am going to assume for the sake of argument that one of two things will happen with Savard's contract: 1. he will retire, bumping Boston's cap space up an additional $4 million; 2. he will go on long-term injured reserve once again, with the same result, including putting Boston in the same danger area for bonus penalties. But suddenly, $10 million becomes $14 million. Cap rich, right? Well, maybe not.
Assume Marchand has a cap hit of $3.33 million, and assume Jordan Caron ($1.1M), Steven Kampfer ($852,500) and Colby Cohen ($875,000) make the active roster as well. (It could be Matt Bartkowski or Yuri Alexandrov, for that matter, but the numbers are basically the same.) Remember that the Bruins were so cap strapped at the end of last year that they didn't have the luxury of carrying a couple extra guys on the active roster, as they would have preferred to do. I do not expect that the team's first round pick would need to be accounted for this year. Unlike last season, the Bruins probably won't be in position to grab a pro-ready talent with their #1 pick, so that player (Ryan Murphy? Nathan Beaulieu?) will probably spend the season in juniors. Nor do I expect that they would sign Ryan Spooner or Jared Knight out of the juniors to join the big club, although the idea of Marchand, Seguin, Caron and Spooner/Knight growing together on a defending Stanley Cup champion is intriguing. That $14 million is down to $7.8725 million. They could certainly sign Kaberle and Ryder, or replacements, within those constraints.
However, the Bruins are looking at a number of core players hitting free agency in the next two years. For instance, David Krejci hits restricted free agency after this season, and Nathan Horton (UFA) and Milan Lucic (RFA) do after 2012-13. The HuLK line made $11.83 million this year. That's a very reasonable rate for a #1 line, but they'll surely be looking for significant raises from that. $15 million for the three would be a conservative estimate, with $20 million at the high end. Adam McQuaid hits RFA status after this season, and seems like a building block for the defense.
Looking back on it, the wisdom of letting Phil Kessel walk is almost Solomon-like. The Bruins got good value in trade, saved money, and ultimately used much of the savings to add a player who fits much better with what the team is trying to do. Does Kessel score three game winners in the playoffs? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet heavily on it.
Most worrisome of all is Tuukka Rask, who carries a $1.25 million cap hit into restricted free agency this offseason. Rask is a top 10 goaltender who should be the future of this team. But how long can Boston afford the luxury of having two blue chip netminders? It seems unthinkable that the Bruins would trade Tim Thomas after his heroic season, but signing Rask to the $4 or 5 million per year deal he's worth, and thus tying up 1/6 of the team's salary cap in goaltending is no less unthinkable. They can afford the Thomas/Rask tandem for 2011-12, but beyond that, a decision must be made. At one point, it seemed like the decision would be easy: trade Thomas, keep Rask. It's no longer so simple.
The cap situation is positive, but it does require some forward thinking to manage properly. Chiarelli's cap management has improved mightily over the years, and though not every move has been great, he's done a solid job. All told, I would not expect the Bruins to be huge players in the free agent market, despite what looks like a surplus of cap room. I think it is more likely that they will focus on keeping their core group together, and they have the ability to do that.
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Looks like Markov is off the market.
Are Knight and Spooner still stuck in juniors? For how many more years?
They can have him. 2 years and $11.5 million for Markov is laughable given his injury history. He’s missed 112 games over the last two years.
Knight and Spooner both are still in juniors, though Spooner had a cup of coffee with Providence at the end of the OHL season. Spooner had a monster year, with a combined 81 points in 64 OHL games for two teams. He also had 3 points in 3 games for the Baby B’s.
Knight had 70 points in 68 OHL games, and 2 in 3 games as a late-season callup for the Baby B’s.
If they don’t make the Bruin roster, this would almost certainly be their last year in juniors. Both are playing at such a dominant level that there’s not much left to prove in the OHL. Ryan (Durling, not Spooner) swears to me that at least one of them will make the active roster. I was skeptical, but after looking at those numbers, I’m coming around to his POV.
So they’re allowed to join the P-Bruins after the season but must go back to their OHL teams the next year? Seems odd.
Regardless, drewl.
It’s an amateur tryout contract.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Markov’s agent denied that he was signed.
The rumor to the effect Andrei Markov is about to sign a new contract with the Montreal Canadiens would not be justified.
This was confirmed by the Agency QMI Russian defender’s agent, Don Meehan on Tuesday night.
Earlier in the evening, Tony Marinaro radio station TEAM 990 had advanced on Twitter soon as Markov would affix his name to a new deal lasting two seasons, and which would yield $ 11.5 million.
During the 2010-11 campaign, the number 79 has only played seven games with a knee injury, scoring three points. In 10 NHL seasons, all spent with the Canadiens, Markov tallied 366 points in 623 games while having a differential 31.
Monday, Canadians had announced colluding with the attackers and Max Pacioretty David Desharnais for two years each.
Google translated from: http://lejournaldemontreal.canoe.ca/journaldemontreal/sports/hockey/archives/2011/06/20110621-223917.html
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way, I have an idea for resolving the Thomas/Rask situation that I’ll float in part 3, which I’m fairly confident that everyone will hate. Should be fun!
by Phunwin on Jun 22, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think i have a controversial call too
You know how I said my profile pic would always be an animal? well, Chara's a BEAST!
with the cap floor being raised to $48 million, some teams are going to have to spend money (FLA, $30 mil!). While the teams that have to spend money are in rebuild mode, the dominoes will fall up. Lots of guys are going to get paid, and while I thought there was no way Kaberle or Ryder would get close to $4mil/year, now that may be within reach. Bruins may be wise to save their money for the deadline and run with the kids to see what they can do.
If they let Kaberle and Ryder walk, give their jobs to Caron and Kampfer, and focus on long-term deals for their core players, then I have absolutely no problem with that.
I didn’t mention it, but agree that the Bruins need to sign Marchand. Get that guy locked up. He is a hockey player. I liked what I saw from Kampfer and Caron. If Ryder and Kaberle are willing to take short deals (2 years), for favorable money, then it could be worth bringing them back. Still, I see players getting over paid. Saw a rumor that Bryzgolov (sic?) is getting $7 mill/year from Philly. That’s silly. I would value cap flexibility over bringing back two guys who are not “core” players.
Well, I think Marchand resigning is pretty much a given in any offseason scenario.
Philly will overpay Bryzgalov. Word is that they have a deal ready to go to send Jeff Carter to Columbus for the 8 pick and Jacob Voracek. Kirk Ludeke swears the deal is rock solid, and he knows his stuff when it comes to the draft. So, that will clear cap room to overpay Bryzgalov, and when they do, he should send one of those $100,000 bottles of champagne to Tim Thomas with a “thank you” card. Having a pair of Vezina finalists in the Stanley Cup Final should kill that stupid “you don’t need goaltending to win” thing that was popular last year.
I think Marchand is the #1 priority as far as signing goes. I don’t think he is a fluke-he is good in his role playing rat job, but he has hockey skills to back the role up. He also appears to have a pretty strong work ethic-even if he does look like he is going to stay drunk for the whole summer.
I honestly don’t want Ryder back. I would rather lose him to develop some of the younger players in the system and I really don’t want him back for anything close to his current salary.
I am ambivalent on Kaberle. I am still not convinced he is comfortable in the Bruins system and style of play, but I also think he was doing pretty well in the last couple of series for what the Bruins hired him to do (well except for that whole PP thing). A part of me would like to see them do more to develop Kampfer, but I am not sure I want the team to rely on a guy who played 38 games in his rookie season and still seems kind of prone to rookie mistakes.
Philly is overpaying but… it’s Philly, at least they’re trying. It does mean Jeff Carter is available, of course. Definitely have to lock up Marchand. I think it just comes down to dollars with Ryder and Kabs. Wouldn’t mind switching out Kaberle for Kampfer as you said.
For Horton!
My theory on Kaberle is that if he makes it to July 1, he’s gone. The only way the Bruins will retain him is if they can come to a mutually beneficial agreement before he hits the open market, otherwise, someone is going to need puck movement and make it non-cost effective to keep him. The concern going forward would be, we saw the cost to attain a player like that in trade, so if Kampfer gets injured or struggles, are they going to wind up committing cap space AND talent to fill that void.
by Michael Taylor on Jun 22, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
There is a flip side to that coin, what if the Bruins resign Kaberle or Ryder and they struggle or under-preform? Then you are stuck with them with even less ability to make a change.
I wouldn’t hesitate to bid Ryder farewell. I could absolutely see him loafing his way through another long-term deal.
If he loafs the same way he did this year and then perks up in the playoffs, I’m cool with it.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 22, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s so nice to have debates on cosmetic changes. I don’t think anyone believes that PC and CN are going to break the bank for either free agent. If the dollars make sense, then of course you bring them back. If not, you give the kids a chance. This is a great position to be in.
It’s a great position to be in. I actually feel the result of game 7 (winning the cup) gives Chiarelli/Neely the ability to play for sustained long term cup contention, rather than trying to maximize a short window, that sort of thinking leads me to believe that unless Ryder/Kaberle are willing to take less to defend a title, they’ll move on without them.
There’s a great deal to be said for letting players on ELCs prove themselves, both in helping your cap, and building their value to other teams. Marchand is a good example of this, not that the team would ever consider trading him, but giving the chance to a young kid shot his trade value through the roof. Could the same thing happen with Caron and Kampfer? If they’re productive through the deadline, do they go from being “nice pieces” to the type of players that could be significant trade chips in a deal for (just to use an example) Ryan Suter?
by Michael Taylor on Jun 22, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Phunwin, do you think the B’s should try to move up a spot or two so they can guarantee getting Ryan Murphy, or do you think it’s not worth the hassle and we can get him at #9?
for what it’s worth, ESPN’s rumor central says Murphy is sliding. the other question is, does PC pull a Belichick and trade #9 for a future #1 and other assets?
I would be stunned if they did that. You’re already picking a player that’s a couple years away. If they swap it for a 2012 #1, now you’re looking at a guy that’s probably 3 or 4 years away from helping immediately, not to mention the gamble of the team you trade with ending up playing very well and giving you a shit draft pick. Too much downside, not enough upside. Unlike the NFL draft, the NHL draft is very top heavy. The odds of getting a real contributor decline VERY fast as the draft goes on.
Plus, remember that part of Belichick’s logic is that he can save money on the cap by annually rolling those picks over. That’s less of an issue in the NHL.
yeah, i know its a long shot, but at the same time, they could move up from #9 if they made the right trade. But you are correct about the differences in the NHL and NFL guys. Still, there is some merit. If some team has a guy that they are jonesing for at #9, you never know what they might be willing to part with.
I read, and I agree with you. Just throwing stuff out there are possibilities. Bruins are in an enviable position, the anti-Blackhawks in terms of cap after winning the cup. But the sound logic of taking the best player and waiting on him is the safe play.
Very true.
One intriguing prospect: let’s assume for the sake of argument the Bruins did trade down to around 15 or so. Two guys that fit their profile are Tyler Biggs (who may even be in contention for the 9th pick) and Jameson Oleksiak. Oleksiak is a guy that I’m sure Neely would like to somehow get his hands on: 6’7 and 244 pounds at the age of 18.
I do not, and they will not. Here’s why:
1. The Bruins draft philosophy can be summed up as follows: “take the best available North American player.” PC will deny it up and down, but they do not like picking Euros, especially Russians. The Bruins are hardly alone in their anti-Russkie bias; the emergence of the KHL has made a lot of teams leery about taking them. But, even apart from that, they have a HEAVY tilt towards picking Canadian and American players. That’s obviously not bad news for Murphy, but the second half of the philosophy is; the Bruins do not get locked into positional needs. If the best player on their board is a center, they will take a center. If Sean Couterier or Ryan Strome is there, then to hell with Ryan Murphy, they’re taking the center.
The corollary to that draft philosophy is that you don’t target specific players. If you don’t target specific players, you’re probably not trading up. You let the draft “come to you”.
2. It is looking increasingly like there are 9 or so premium prospects in this draft, with a dropoff right around 10 or so. The dropoff may be 10 or 11, but the consensus is that it’s sometime shortly after 9. That makes #9 prime real estate. There is no reason to waste assets moving up when you’re getting a premium prospect sitting right where you are.
Now, all that said, I still expect it will be Murphy, because I think he’s the most likely of the top 9 to fall, and because I believe Philly will be in that 8 spot, and will take whichever of Couterier, Strome or Zibejenad is still on the board. (And my apologies to those fine young men for surely butchering the spelling of their names.)
“Fowler-esque”?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I did not understand Fowler’s slide last year, and a year’s perspective hasn’t helped a bit. I mean, the Rangers took a fucking goon instead of him.
I got two words for ya
Glen Sather
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
There is that. It’s the same guy who gave Derek Boogaard (God rest his soul) $1.6 million a year for four years.
That makes me happy and sad at the same time.
Boogey :(
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I was baffled when I was sitting there watching it. Kids got some serioues offensive talent. Sure he needs some D zone work but how can you keep passing on a talent like him?
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So who do you have as the top 9?
Nugent-hopkins
Landekog
Larsson
Strome
Coutorier
Huberdeau
Beauleau
Hamilton
SVEN!
Murphy (he’s number 10)
Do you think of Swiss Sven as Euro even though he plays in NA? Where do you think the line is from a Bruins perspective? I’m not disagreeing with you – I’ve seen the last several drafts as well.
Oh and my apologies on mispelling whoever's last name I mispelled
I promise to learn to spell it properly if you are drafted by the B’s!
RNH
Couturier
Larsson
Strome
Landeskog
Hamilton
Huberdeau
Murphy
Zibejenad
Corey Pronman makes an EXCELLENT argument for why Landeskog is overrated, BTW.
pronman is a funny name
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and I think the Bruins will be plenty happy with Murphy if he’s there at 9. Again, they’ll go BPA. As for how they have it all tiered, I have no clue whatsoever. I know they’ve been looking hard at Murphy, but Nathan Beaulieu might be higher on their board because he’s a bigger, more well-rounded player. I think that would be a mistake, personally.
If you play in North America for a decent period of time, you’re a North American. It’s not about what’s on your birth certificate, it’s about whether you’re adjusted to the game and to the players you’ll be seeing over the next decade. I have no problem with Central classifying guys like Sven and Kiril Kabanov as North Americans.
It could be said that I am a Sven fan. I also like Mika Zibedkgaglnaegnelrnejad and Joel Armia. Obviously hoping the Bruins go with Murph tho.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 22, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
My feelings
I think they let Kaberle walk no matter what. I think they feel decent about their first five defenceman, and they need to let Kampfer show he can play. Plus, if they can you know they will grab Murphy in the draft. So you have two puck moving defencman that you want to give a chance to. I know if they do get Murphy he will be a couple years away, but if you sign Kaberle for 3-4 years, then what? They can’t do that as a seventh defenceman.
- I think they bring Ryder back for 2.5 -3 if they can. The guy can flat out play when it matters most. Plus with Rechhi retiring, you still have a spot on the third line for a guy like Caron, or Knight, or whomever in our system.
I sure hope they don’t feel decent about their first five defensemen. They need major improvements; Seidenberg, Ference and Boychuk are all criminally overrated. McQuaid is young enough to improve and cheap enough that you can live with his mistakes, and Chara, of course, is a godlike figure. But that’s it. Boston’s defense was secretly terrible this year.
by Phunwin on Jun 22, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seidenberg, criminally overrated? Boychuck and Ference perhaps, but Seidenberg? Really? Maybe I miss something, but I love his play. Not saying he is an elite defenseman in the NHL, but a solid #2 guy.
Did you notice that Seidenberg’s rise to excellence came in the playoffs, when he spent essentially all his time paired with the NHL’s best defenseman?
by Phunwin on Jun 22, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with Seidenberg being overrated. I am sure there are numbers to say otherwise but hes just a solid defenceman IMO. He is rarely out of position and plays the team game, blocks shots, and shit he had more ice time than Chara through most of the playoffs. Hes not the best puck mover but with Julien’s system he seems to love the reverse and/or just ring it around the boards and pretty much any D man should be able to make those two plays.
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by beachguy113 on Jun 22, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is solid. He is a top 4 defenseman. And he’s not THAT badly overpaid, just slightly. But he’s not capable of carrying his own pairing. The Bruins were able to pair him with Chara and eat up almost 30 minutes of ice time per game in the playoffs, and that worked great. But that doesn’t work over an 82 game season. Over the season, Seidenberg has to be able to carry his pairing, and he wasn’t. He didn’t mesh that well with anyone until they got to Chara, who, of course, could make a corpse look good as his partner.
Look at Boychuk-with-Chara vs. Boychuk-without-Chara-on-ice-for-8-straight-goals-against
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
make a corpse look good as his partner
now now, Wade Redden isn’t dead, he’s just in the AHL
by TomServo42 on Jun 22, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree that Chara makes anyone look better-and I also agree that Seids isn’t that great at carrying his own pairing, but I also don’t think he was terrible, and I think the kinds of things he does complements Chara’s game which makes them a good shut down pairing.
I don’t see him as overrated, but I think for the things he does he is often underrated, or maybe better to say unrecognized. He is a puck blocking machine and I think he is probably the best at pinching up-knowing when to pinch and when to stay home.
Oh, I would never say he’s terrible. He’s a slightly above-average player who looked like an All-Star with Chara on the ice, and looked like a slightly above-average player otherwise. I don’t even think he’s all that overpaid. I just think that your second best defenseman should be able to carry his own pair. He cannot. If they can get someone better than Seidenberg this offseason, and have him teaming regularly with Chara, or on a second pair with someone better, that would be dandy.
Yes,
Boychuk pinching can either be brilliant or a trainwreck… Seids pinching is solid and usually beneficial.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 22, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t that big of a secret.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally disagree about Seidenberg being overrated. He isn’t Chara but I think paired with Chara they complemented each other well.
I also think Ference is fine as a second or third pairing and McQuaid is only going to get better.
Honestly, if I were the GM I would be looking to trade up from Boychuk. I really like Boychuk, but I think he is probably the weakest link when it comes to the Bruins defense. I am rather ambivalent about Kaberle. I think I would prefer they let him walk and look for somebody else who can move the puck but is a little more comfortable with contact or look to develop Kampfer as the puck mover. But if they sign Kaberle for a fair cap hit I won’t cry tears over it.
Chara complements anyone well. He made everyone he played with better. That’s why he kicks a serious amount of ass. But it doesn’t make Seidenberg special.
Ference is fine on a third pair, but he’s getting paid like a second pair guy, which isn’t great. And he still needs to be paired with someone mobile. If they’re keeping Ference (and they probably are), they could do worse than pairing him with Kampfer on a third pair. Or Kaberle, for that matter.
Boychuk is most assuredly the weak link. They need to trade him before it becomes too obvious.
What about Wisniewski?
He could be a good fit, no?
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 22, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched when the Providence B's came to Winnipeg last year.
Jeff Penner was BY FAR the better defenseman in the game I watched. (Boychuk and Penner were the top pair in Providence a few years back). I still hope he makes the NHL, as he is my dad’s first cousin. I was really hoping to have a relative on my favorite team, too bad he was traded. But we did get Khudobin and hopefully he will show that he is reliable. All this to say that I’m not sure why Boychuk got to play so much. Penner was much smarter, but I guess they just didn’t like his size.
On a same note as the Seidenburg over rate
How much do you think Marchand’s play was improved by skating next to Bergeron?
It definitely helped him, but earned that promotion to the second line by playing really well with Greg Campbell and Shawn Thornton, neither of whom have improved a teammate in their life.
They probably did in midget hockey. Shawn Thornton has said that he lead his youth leagues in scoring.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That ruled.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 22, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, he was always so pissed he wasn’t getting Kovalchuk money. begs the question, would you rather have two Stanley Cups or 100 mil?
by Ryan Durling on Jun 22, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think anytime you move a forward to a 2nd or 3rd line they are going to be more productive-generally the move comes with more ice time and an experienced centerman who knows how to pass the puck and fight along the boards for possession.
I think Marchand shined on the 4th line, but I also think he earned his promotion and then showed on that line why he earned it. He fought to keep it, but he is the kind of player that is versatile enough to play almost anywhere you put him.
I definitely think playing with Bergeron and Recchi made him better, but I think he was going to shine no matter what line he played on.
“Hey guys? What’s this black thing on the end of my stick?”
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 22, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. But then I think Paille was moved there because options were few after Krejci went down.
So maybe I should say-if a guy earns his way into the position he is likely going to shine, if he gets there by default it is any man’s guess whether he looks better or not.
I like Paille. I’ve liked him since he came into the league in Buffalo. But he’s a full-time fourth-liner and serviceable third-liner at best. What he does is kill penalties. You never expect your team to be on the PK 20-plus minutes a game, so giving him first line minutes was laughable, even without a glut of other options.
Personally, I'd like to see the Bruins go after Eric Brewer
The guy would make for a very, very good top 4 on defense and is a guy who can play on the PP.
Chara-Seidenberg
Ference-Brewer
DFA Cameron
DFA Drew
He would look even better because he wouldn't have to do so damn much on this team.
He was the captain and the only solid defensemen in St. Louis then in Tampa.
Put him behind Chara and his value goes up even more.
DFA Cameron
DFA Drew
what about Yandel?
He would be a terrific addition and they will have the $$$ to add him. I doubt that Phoenix would match a reasonable offer. He would slot into the first or second D pairing and create serious depth. He is also one of the top offensive Dmen in the league with 59 points last season. What would be the cost in draft picks? I think it would be worth it either way. He is from Boston and wants to play here. Go get him PC!!!
I would like to also see Lucic slide into Recchi’s spot on the Bergeron line and Seguin line up with Krejci and Horton. I think that will balance off the top two lines nicely.
I also have to eat crow(and happy to do it) for criticizing coach Julien. He is a far better coach than I gave him credit for.
I think Horton with Bergeron makes more sense given the right shots of Seguin and Horton and left for Marchand and Lucic, but I think see that as a possibility.
I actually think Julien did the one thing this series that I never saw him do in previous ones and that is to make in game and between game adjustments that worked. I think Julien outcoached Boucher and Vigneault. I will grant that in 2010 Julien didn’t have tons of options when Sturm and then Krejci went down-kind of hard to make the right adjustments when you lose your depth, but this time around he did a nice job. Pretty sure his job is safe although I doubt there will be a shortage of “fire Julien” posts.
you can just write “it ain’t happenin.” That will suffice.
by TomServo42 on Jun 22, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s true. While it’s not gonna happen, I still would like it!
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 22, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If we're dreaming, I'd like Parise in place of Savard.
Lucic Krejci Horton
Parise Bergeron Seguin
Not sure what to do with Marchand then….but Bergeron/Parise would be awesome. We would NEVER lose the puck on the boards. Put Lucic on that line and make it the first line and it’d be AWESOME. But I’ve pretty much given up on us getting another star offenseman for 5 years. (of course, Seguin could get there)
Marchand could play on any line you put him on. He would be fine in a third pair and he plays well on an energy line as well-the beauty of Marchand is he is versatile and can play on almost any line.
Although the real answer to this question is also “it ain’t happening” so where to put Marchand isn’t really a problem.
Am I the only one that is not really a big Looch fan?
I like the guy, but I don’t think he’s that great. Barely showed up in the playoffs and IMO, he’s a 2nd liner. I don’t think people billing him as the 2nd coming of Neely is correct… although, if he would play like he’s able to, I’d like him much more.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 23, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I know what you mean about Lucic, Phony.
He hasn’t looked himself for much of this and last season. Maybe his game is changing? Not sure that’s a good thing. Maybe his foot has bothered him ever since he wrecked it. Really, I’m just trying to sell Bergeron here. He’s my favorite player, and I think if we had any guys who could recognize his skill, he could score 80 points. He makes beautiful passes to players who are never ready for the puck, but who Bergeron sees are open. We need to start drafting some guys that can read a play more than .5 seconds ahead of time. Drove me bonkers at the start of this season how many times our guys fanned on point blank chances from Bergy. Remember when he played with Boyes?

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