Can Steven Kampfer Replace Tomas Kaberle?
by totheights on Jun 30, 2011 9:01 AM EDT
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With free agency under a day away, the Boston Bruins recently made some news when it was announced that they have offered the rights to UFA Tomas Kaberle to anyone in the league that is interested in signing him. Therefore, for all intents and purposes the Bruins and Tomas Kaberle are going to part ways, unless the market is not what Kaberle expected and he is forced to take a discount. The question then becomes: how do the Bruins replace him? Do they Bruins use a prospect from inside the organization like Steven Kampfer? Do the Bruins sign a big name free agent defensemen to a very large contract like Christian Ehrhoff or James Wisniewski, if they are not signed by the teams that recently traded for their rights? Do the Bruins make a trade for someone who could fill that role like Zach Bogosian?
Many people believe that the Bruins are going to let Tomas Kaberle walk because they realize how much money is going to be spent this year on free agents due to the increase in the salary cap. Which in turn means that the Bruins don't want to spent that kind of money, so using a player like Steven Kampfer could very well be the solution. Kampfer played in 38 games last year as a Bruins and showed a little bit of what he could do early on before getting a concussion which ended his season with the big club.
A look at the two players after the jump.
Tomas Kaberle finished regular season with the Boston Bruins scoring just 1 goal and piling up just 8 assists in 24 games. However he was able to add 11 assists in 25 games during the playoffs, tying Dennis Seidenberg as the Bruins leading scorer from the back end. Although Tomas Kaberle did not improve the power play or our offensive output from our defense, he did improve the Bruins transition game during his time here. Kaberle certainly went through his struggles in his brief time with the Bruins, is 40 games with a new team enough to overrule 10 years of him being one of the best player making defensemen in the league?
Steven Kampfer came up from the minors after playing so well down there to start the year and continued that good play with the Bruins early. He potted 5 goals and added 3 assists in his first 20 games with the club, however his play soon tailed off and he was only able to add 2 more assits to that total before his season ended due to his concussion. He finished the year off with 5 goals, 5 assists in 38 games and even added 41 hits in that time span (4 more than Kaberle laid in 82 regular season games). Was Kampfer's play an indicator of what he could do for this Bruins team with an increased roll next year or was a just an anomaly?
Unfortunately, we have seen this phenomenon (of having rookie defensemen play well for half a year in a limited role) recently with former Bruin Matt Hunwick. In Hunwick's first year with the team in 2008-09, he scored 6 goals and tallied 21 assists in 53 games and seemed to be a key piece for the future of the club. Well after a significant raise and an increased role, Hunwick turned out to be nothing more than a #6 or #7 defensemen with lots of holes in his game. The reason we are looking at the past play of Matt Hunwick is because there are a lot of similarities between the two players. Both Hunwick and Kampfer measure 5'11" tall, both weigh in at around 190 pounds, both were born in Michigan, both went to the University of Michigan and both played less than a year of pro hockey before they were called up to the Bruins. So in order to avoid a similar fate, I believe it is in the Bruins best interests to keep Kampfer in a limited role as the 7th defensemen and injury replacement on this team for another year to help his development. That is why I am of the opinion that the Bruins should do their best to re-sign Tomas Kaberle. Also, I believe that with a full offseason and training camp in the club he will do many of the things that were expected of him right away. What do you think?
Should the Bruins pass on Kaberle and give the role to Steven Kampfer? Can he do the job well enough to allow the Bruins to contend for the Stanley Cup again next year? If the Bruins pass on Kaberle should the Bruins fill the hole via a trade instread? What are your thoughts?
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It’s an incredibly inflated market for free agents, especially offensive defensemen, right now.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
I say Kampfer replaces Kaberle in the same way that Seguin replaces Savard
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
My first instinct is to sign a free agent, and I voted for that, but I think only for the right price and I am not convinced that price is going to happen in the current market.
So my second choice is to let Kampfer try it out, and if it doesn’t work look for a mid season trade for somebody who can produce.
Despite powerplay woes throughout the season, Kaberle had the highest points/60 minutes of 5v4 time for a Bruins defenseman.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions
Our powerplay sucked all year, and kaberle was our best defenseman at it. Let’s fix the powerplay by getting rid of the guy who played the best at it. GREAT IDEA
I know the number in the hits column is less than Boychuk but there’s a shitload more to defense than hitting.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m hardly the THIS FACKING GUY NEVER HITS type you know, so not sure why you’re going to that chestnut…
yeah okay good point, just general frustration. Scoring is important.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it is. But so is the ability to play defense, especially for a defenseman.
Is 4-5M worth it for a glorified PP specialist?
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on who we get instead. I’m tired of our defensemen not named Chara getting stuck passing it back and forth behind our own net.
Kaberle was great at that, and it helped.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed with that… but he obviously didn’t have Julien’s faith either. Only playing 16 a night?
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I have liked Kampfer since he got called up.
I think we still need maybe for a year or two someone that can play in place of him and let Kampfer develop a little more. 1 or 2 years down the road, he is great. BTW heading to the Bell Centre today in what?
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At the prices even the slightly offensively talented defensemen are going for, its a much better idea to be developing from within and chia’s done a nice job acquiring young prospects. Give the kids a shot, better than tying up 4-6mil when Rask and Krejci need to be signed next year.
Exactly.
And I am pretty sure Chiarelli knows exactly who he needs to resign next summer and isn’t going to breakt he bank this year and tie his hands for next year.
And there is still the possibility of looking for a trade-maybe not over the summer but definitely mid season if it looks like the youth we have in the system isn’t going to cut it.
Yup, and there’s other decent defensive prospects in the system, so there’s room to experiment. I get the feeling the B’s would prefer to develop talent anyhow (it’s worked out well for the most part), so I’m going with it.
Given that there isn’t much word on the UFA front-other than the rumor that the B’s were shopping Kaberle’s rights and qualifying Marchand-I think perhaps they are looking at the first season post cup win as the season of youth and may be looking more to see what those in the system can do.
I think the Bruins are actually in a position where they can mostly stand pat and still have a pretty good team. I don’t think they want to play the inflated prices the market is currently providing.
While the early prices for defencemen are high, I think there is going to be someone left standing at the end of everything. I think the Bruins should grab a blue-liner, but just wait to see who is left. A few of the big spenders have already grabbed their blue liners so I think after a week or two of free agency, prices will start to come back down.
Good point on the musical chairs
Wait until the music stops and there could be a half-decent player looking for a job who’ll take a discount to play for the defending Cup champs. Considering 90% of the team is already coming back next year, it’s pretty much a no-risk strategy – you’ve got players you can develop anyhow if it doesn’t work out.
Agreed. See how free agency pans out. There are going to be teams overpaying and regretting it down the line. See what is available and decide if there is a player worth investing in. If not, see who earns the job in the pre-season. If it becomes a problem, then you can make a trade. By not overpaying, you are saving your cap space for a rainy day. What if Kampfer is ready, but they sign someone who under preforms. Then you are stuck with that guy.
Not to mention in this market not only might you get stuck with a guy who isn’t working out, you may be way overpaying him what he is worth and maybe end up with a contract that will be hard to trade if you want out of it.
The Bruins have the cup. It might make defending more difficult, but the better tack may very well be to see what the young guys can bring while the market is paying high, and sign or trade when the market evens out.
I’d rather not rely on the young guys, but look more to a defense-like version of Metropolit (with hopefully more talent, which I actually think will end up happening).
There are a few guys out there, Ian White and Andy Greene come to mind, who don’t seem to be getting much attention in the news / may not be drawing much interest from teams – even though each could help out on penalty kill, power play, and even strength.
I’m really surprised at White who was arguably the Sharks best D at even strength – he had 49.4% offensive zone start – 5th on D for the Sharks – and 52.9% offensive zone finish 1st on D, and he wasn’t sheltered with who he went up against. (Boyle was 49.8% to 49.5%, but did go against tougher competition).
Works for me!
Though I think we have to trade with Chicago for the rights to Steve Montador…
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I find it so strange that people are interested in that guy…
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 30, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s cheap, at least.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Chicago resigned Montador at 2.75 per for 4 years
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
WHA?! Guy was making 1.55! Stunned he got that high and that long.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Chicago dumped Very Good But Overpaid Defenseman Brian Campbell’s salary of 7.1 million to pick up Rostislav “Rusty” Olesz and Steve “fucking” Montador at a combined 5.9 million. If they can turn that 1.2 million into something worthwhile it’s cool, otherwise I have no idea if they know what they’re doing out there.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I figured he would be lucky to get 2M from them.
Nice 2yr, 4M contract to use as a 3rd pairing guy and help provide insurance if Campoli and Leddy bust.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
nope, 11m over 4 years!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
My Blackhawks fan friend is trying to defend that move. Not sure that is possible.
This is his 5th team in 5 years and you nearly double his salary?
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Montodor stinks. Seriously, Kaberle’s agent must be getting a hard on with these mediocre guys getting this money/years.
He was awful for the Black and Gold.
Apparently he was better with Buffalo.
Chicago fans are just happy that John Scott is being pushed further down the depth chart.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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by TomServo42 on Jun 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe: “Yandle: it ain’t happenin’, but would still be nice.”? I say let Kaberle walk, unless he is very cap-friendly. While he did tie for the D-man point lead in the playoffs, it was scary (at least in the earlier rounds) when he was on the ice. 1-5 is covered and they have enough able youth to fill the 6 & 7 spots. I could see committing some assets for Yandle though (not that it will happen).
I think 1-2 (Chara & Seidenberg) are covered and 4-6 are covered (3 of McQuaid, Ference, Kampfer, and Boychuk), but I don’t think anyone internally is really ready to be the best guy on the second D pairing.
Teams win with holes, so it’s not the end of the world if it’s not filled, but I don’t think there is a need to bring in a back of the bench blue liner.
Souray just got bought out… a cheapie one-year deal to be the new PP specialist?
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
I could live with that.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jun 30, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
As PuckDaddy pointed out, guy needs to rehab his image. Has to be on best behavior here if he wants to keep playing and Claude’s defensive system and the team strength would probably do wonders for his stats.
Only question is if he would be a lockerroom cancer after his troubles the past year.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i’ve gotta imagine much of the cancerous reputation has to be because of team conditions in Edmonton.
I’m not familiar enough with his defensive game in recent years to say if I like the idea or not.
Yea, don’t know of his defensive game but no question he is a good PP guy. Get him cheap and throw him on 3rd pair with 12-15 a night… kinda like MA Bergeron.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think bad reputations are overstated in the media and not something that really matters all that much. Savard and Horton are two guys that had pretty bad reputations before coming to Boston and both of them fit in really well with Julien pretty quickly.
I’m less concerned about him being a cancer than I am about whether or not he’s going to be all that good considering how long it’s been since he played in the NHL.
He may be a perfect fit for the Bruins though – I doubt anyone is going to give him a long-term contract, so we should be able to sign him to a contract without implications to next year’s extensions / new CBA. Plus, if he’s at all like he used to be, he’d definitely help on the power play, with the potential to do more.
sign him to league minimum (he’s getting PAID buyout money) for a year
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be surprised if other teams don’t offer him at least minimum. I don’t think he’s going to break the bank, but at league minimum, he’d have a ton of suitors.
He had the 4th-highest PPG for a defenseman on a (stacked) AHL team. I don’t know how much more he should get.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 30, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be fine with a 1yr, 2M deal. A little sweeter than the minimum and Boston has the space for it, especially if its only a year. Gives him a chance to rehab his image and aim for one last payday.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
By fractions. He’s a couple of points away on the season from being tied for 2nd most PPG for their D.
He was also playing for another organization’s farm team, so I’d love to see what his ice time was like compared to those other players before trying to state what his performance was like while there (I have no idea how to find TOI for the AHL).
Last time he played in the NHL (09-10), he was second on his NHL team in P/60 at even strength among D that played 35 games. Damn, that’s a lot of qualifiers, but the point still holds on his offense. (He also led the team’s D in first assists / 60 in 5 on 4 situations).
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we trade Kab’s contract rights along with a 1st and a prospect to LA for Doughty…….
No but really id say get a Vet for the 6th spot and split time with Kamp
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Did vote for the free agent route
but obviously only at a good cap hit. Yes it sucks that we paid through the nose for Kaberle and cant retain him but hes not worth 5 or 6 mil a year which for some odd reason seems to be the price for top pairing defencemen this free agent year. Someone above mentioned and the two guys I would like to see here would be Souray at a decent rate and Ian White was only around 3million I think last year. A short term 2 or 3 year deal for white at the rate would be fine with me. Granted White can get lost in his own end once and a while if he was a bottom 2 pairing and then a PP guy I would be alright with that because then it doesnt force Kampfer to be too much too soon.
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What makes you say that Ian White gets lost in his own end? Every time I’ve seen him play, he looks pretty solid in his own end. The metrics seem to back it up as he gets trusted on the penalty kill, does well at moving the puck out of his own end on even strength.
should have clarified...
I saw him a lot when he was playing for the Leafs (granted that was his early days) and hes a good first pass guy to get the puck out of his own end and what not but he tended to (I should have said that before) get a little lost every once and a while in his D zone coverage. I havent seen much of him this year or last to be honest mostly just going on memory. I am not saying dont get him at all, I actually said for a decent rate sign him up as I would be good with that signing. Hes not a total liability in his own zone at all, just said at times he tends to get caught out of position. Granted that was with the Leafs so who knows whos fault it would have been haha!
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Meh
Unless he’s looking for Ehrhoff-like crazy raises, we could just resign Kaberle. I’ve grumbled quite a bit about him in the past but frankly I don’t think he was that bad.
Expecting him to jump in midseason and fix the powerplay like that seems a tad bit ridiculous, as does griping about his performance in the playoffs when he frankly did alright.
Yeah, he’s been a disappointment but I think the most of it comes from such huge expectations. I don’t think they’re going anywhere after Boston just won a Stanley Cup but if you stand back Kaberle doesn’t seem all that awful.
If nothing works out I’m sure we could just ship him off before the trade deadline.
I’d hope for a 1 year tryout extension but somehow I think Kaberle is looking for a big, long contract as he creeps closer to 35. That and the asking price might nip this in the bud but it’s nice to dream..
Go with Kaberle
The comments got me thinking, and the whole situation could be somewhat like the Jeff Green trade for the Celtics. After all the chasing, Kaberle finally came to the Bruins and also brought the huge expectations associated with being traded for a #1 and hailed as the PP savior.
That’s an awful lot of pressure (even for a guy who played in Toronto), so bringing him back at a reasonable price and having a full year in the system/locker room may be just what he needs. The key to all of this being a reasonable price – can’t get involved in a bidding war with a team like Florida who is looking to hit the cap floor.
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Earlier this spring we were questioning whether Kaberle and his style of play fit into Julien’s system. While I applaud his stats, what I saw on the ice made me shudder more than once. He coughed it up a few times in our own zone either through inept stickhandling (which blew my mind) or because he saw a hit coming and bailed too soon. That said, I’m not sure which path the B’s should follow to keep the D corp rolling. IF Tomas can be an effective Bruin at a reasonable price, I’ll take it. Having Kampfer in reserve is a pretty decent option and allows him to continue developing at a reasonable pace. Outside of that, my inclination is to see who’s left after the initial free agent flurry.
But really, all teams have their faults, no matter how good, and they can always be better. Ours just won the Stanley Cup, the pinnacle of hockey achievements. What’s not to like?
by Professor Wagstaff on Jun 30, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
I’m just not sold that Kampfer is ready yet. He did look good for a while this year, but I agree with the rookie-year, blush on the apple approach that Hunwick sold us a year ago- that splattered on the sophomore wall this year. Dunno if any of the others in Providence are ready yet, either. The P-Bruins record this past year would certainly suggest NOT.
And sorry to disagree with the mainstream here, but I feel that too many people expected Kaberle to be some kind of messiah, come to fix the power play and move the puck. Got to remember that he was ONE player on a successful TEAM. And all in all, for his “cup of coffee” here with us this year, he did pretty well. Kinda like Recchi in Carolina in ‘06. Would I mind signing him for a reasonable rate? No. Would I go above and beyond? Mmm, maybe. Would I go to Ludicrous? Not. If you are Chiarelli, you have to look at the whole body of work that is his career, not just what you saw in the past couple months to make that judgment. I understand his agent probably wants the moon and half the stars, but…. I wouldn’t be offended by 16 mil for 4 years. I seriously doubt that, though.
Final analysis is, they’re going to pay that money to someone. I wouldn’t mind if it were Kabs. But I wouldn’t be all that upset if it were someone else of that caliber, either. Just don’t think any of the P-Bruins are ready for prime time just yet.
For Horton!
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I think he will either wing Bergeron or center/wing the third line. I think it depends a lot on camp and what Julien decides to do with Seguin (have him center the 3rd line or wing somebody).
One beauty with Peverly is that he is pretty versatile and seems to fit where he is needed.
Is there an expectation that Horton will start the season? I haven’t heard a timetable on his recovery. I always figured that Peverley would start next year on the first line.
I doubted he would but after seeing how he handled himself for the remainder of the series I think he should be good to go.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He has reported that the concussion symptoms were gone, but not much word on the shoulder-other than that it apparently doesn’t reqyure surgery.
I suspect Horton will be back and ready to go come training camp and will start the season with the team.
Jonathan Ericsson just signed for 3m. After all these defenseman signings of late, in retrospect that Ference deal ain’t so bad.
Agreed. Much rather have Ference for 2.2 than Monty for 2.75!
Can’t believe Ericsson only got the same as him too.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jun 30, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Steven Kampfer Replace Tomas Kaberle?
uhhhhh….
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if you watched Kaberle in the playoffs,
than you would say that it’s quite possible.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jul 1, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If you stopped watching after the habs series, yeah
He had the best Corsi/ON and the second-best CORSI/off (after Chara)
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I don’t think Kaberle was that horrible. I am not 100% convinced he is a good fit with the Bruins, but I don’t think he was horrible-I sometimes wonder if the PP and other aspects of his game wouldn’t look better if he played a whole season in Boston.
I don’t think Kaberle was terrible, but I don’t think he’s even close to irreplaceable. I’m okay with re-signing him or letting him walk. I think Kampfer will be fine – I don’t expect him to be playing at Kaberle level this year, but I don’t think he’ll be a liability.
Suck it, Felger!
by phonymahoney on Jul 3, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Kampfer might be in luck,
Kabs to Carolina… so they’re overpaying TWO puck moving defensemen now. 3 years/ $12.75m
Kick his ass, Seabass!
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