Bruins Player Report Cards 2010-11: Gregory Campbell
by xokathryn on Jul 18, 2011 11:00 AM EDT
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Grade: A
When the Bruins acquired Nathan Horton and Gregory Campbell in the trade that sent Dennis Wideman and a few picks to the Florida Panthers, most of Bruins nation rejoiced for the former 3rd overall pick Horton. Throughout the year however, the "Horton trade" became the "Campbell trade" before it became simply an overall awesome trade following the player Campbell proved himself to be.
Campbell came to Boston to be one of their top penalty killers and he excelled at that throughout the season. He was third among forwards for shorthanded time on ice behind only Patrice Bergeron and Chris Kelly (though Kelly split time with the Senators) where he averaged 1:43 minutes of shorthanded time on ice per game. The London, Ontario native was a replacement player for Steve Begin (who had taken the spot for Stephane Yelle) who played the role of a fourth line center with a lot of penalty kill time.
Not only did Campbell his job on the penalty kill, but he far exceeded expectations. Though he played in 20 fewer games, Campbell only had 2 goals the season prior to coming to Boston. A member of the "energy line," he centered Shawn Thornton and a constantly rotating winger for the season.
In the 2010-11 season he was only 3 assists shy of matching career highs he had set in the 2008-09 season with the Panthers. An achievement he did reach, however,was being the second Bruin since Steve Leach in 1992 to have double digits in goals and fighting majors with 13 goals and 11 fighting majors on the season. The only other Bruin to attain such status was Milan Lucic in 2008-09.
So Campbell certainly did what he came here to do and that much more. He’s been an asset to the team and is a Stanley Cup Champion to prove it.
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Ummm… Thornton had 10 goals and 14 fights this year.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jul 18, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
4th Line in 7th Game
I was real impressed with the entire 4th line in the 7th game of the Cup final. What better testament to Campbell’s entire season??
by skatepassnshoot on Jul 18, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
Giving Campbell an A is an easy call. He had a 6.1 GVT despite playing with poor linemates, having terrible zone starts and functioning as one of Boston’s four top penalty killing forwards. I’d be surprised if any team got more out of a fourth line center.
I should clarify: Campbell’s linemates were really good as fourth liners go, but they were generally Boston’s two weakest forwards, save for those first couple months when he had the good fortune of playing with Brad Marchand.
That’s the point that makes me think an A is too generous.
An amazing fourth liner is someone who becomes a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd liner (like Marchand did). Giving Campbell an A for staying on the 4th line and doing well there sets the bar really low for everyone else to get A’s.
I get what you’re saying, but if his being on the 4th line means he can’t get an A, then what is the best grade we can give him?
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by phonymahoney on Jul 19, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he has to get less than Marchand, so probably a B.
I can’t see a reasonable justification for Marchand and Campbell receiving the same grade.
I can. they have different roles. If krejci had Campbell’s stats would he get an A because he was centering the first line? Doubt it-he would be lucky if he got a D, because expectations of a 1st line center aren’t the same as those for a 4th liner center and PKer.
Campbell did his job in his role and he did it well. He was a huge improvement over Begin and when he and Thornton and initially Marchand played they were scary good together. I think when Marchand was moved up to the 2nd line the 4th line kind of fell off some, but then Paille stepped his game up, and I thought that line looked great against the Canucks especially (so did Julien given the extra TOI) and I think Campbell and Paille were just as good as Bergeron and Marchand at PKing.
I think grades-and granted they are all subjective anyway-should be based more on “what role does this guy fill on the team, and did he fill it well, better or worse than expected?”
Campbell I think performed well.
Marchand and Campbell started out in the same role, on the same line.
Towards the end of the season, Marchand had built his role to the point that Julien relied on him for 15-17 minutes of ice time per night. Campbell was still generally in the 12-13 minutes per night.
Again, it seems odd to say that Marchand, who ended up getting an expanded role, and Campbell, whose role did not expand, get the same grade.
It’s like giving Tuukka Rask an A. He was one of the better back-ups in the league, but he lost a starting job and was clearly outperformed by Thomas, who was his back-up. If you give Rask an A, what do you give Thomas?
Yes Marchand and Campbell started out with the same roles as energy line players but Marchand has always been pegged as a 2nd or 3rd line player and Campbell has pretty much met his ceiling by making the show and being a big part of that teams 4th line. Playing two different positions is what allowed Marchand to move up to the 2nd line. I am not saying Campbell could have filled that role but it was never a thought to put him there. The grade should not be comparaed to what other players on the Bruins, but what that individual did according to what other players in the league at the same position could provide for their team. I would take Campbell over most of the 4th line centres out there.
I would say Campbell deserves his A grade as he was one of the best 4th line centres this year. I am not looking at total points when I say this but the total production that you would get from a 4th line player.
On the Rask notes if you look at his GAA and save % his numbers are actually quite good. I would be curious to see what his goal support was like. I didnt blame him for a lot of the losses he incurred as it seemed the team didnt show up for him periodically.
As for what grade to give Thomas….A+++ haha
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
How many different players did the Bruins try in the 3rd line center role? Seguin played there, Wheeler played there, they picked up Kelly to play there. Am I missing someone else? The opportunity was clearly there for Campbell to move up and take on a more significant role on the team, but he didn’t warrant it.
If you follow the logic that Campbell deserves an A as one of the best 4th line centers, can that logic also be extended to give Marchand a B or a C as he’s far from one of the best second line wingers? In other words, two guys start on the same line. One plays unbelievably and gets promoted. His season is graded a B. The other plays less effectively and he gets an A. That logic of giving a grade based on poor direct comparisons just seems weak.
I also find it unbelievable that you think Marchand has always been pegged as a 2nd or 3rd line player when every story that came out about him was that no one expected him to score anywhere close to 20 goals this year.
What does moving up on the depth chart have to do with a grade? It has everything to do with did you fill the role that they set out for you at the start of the season and everyone Campbell included knew that he was the 4th line pivot and added some grit, a few goals, and a few fights. I would say anytime a 4th line guy has 10 goals and also plays a prominent PK role I would say he has done his job and then some. Not to mention all in 10-12 mins a night.
As for Marchand I didnt say he was pegged as a 2nd line winger for this year…what I mean by that was that he had the potential to be a 2nd or 3rd line guy. I should have clarified that better.
What does Marchands grade have to do with Campbell’s? Should we not be grading Campbell on what he accomplished compared to other 4th line players in the league?
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
by beachguy113 on Jul 21, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thomas gets an A++, a gold star, a check-plus, a Vezina, a Conn Smythe, 2 ESPYs, a Stanley Cup, and a new save percentage record.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by SkateHitShoot on Jul 20, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!
Kick his ass, Seabass!
by phonymahoney on Jul 20, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
So I guess Hnidy gets an A too, right?
By all accounts, he practiced pretty hard when he was with the team at the end of the season. That’s the most that you can expect from a healthy scratch, right?
Campbell and Hnidy shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath.
Why are you unable to accept that not everyone will agree with you?
Kick his ass, Seabass!
by phonymahoney on Jul 20, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are you unable to be consistent in your arguments?
Campbell lives up to what can best be expected from his role – he gets an A.
Hnidy lives up to what can best be expected from his role – he gets an A.
It seems consistent from me.
What did Hnidy fail to do as a healthy scratch?
I’m not being inconsistent, I just can’t really be bothered arguing about hockey with someone who refuses to admit that anyone else’s opinion is valid.
You seem to want to sign every free agent on the market, use up every last penny of cap space, and trade away any and all prospects. It also seems that you think that in this mock Bruins report card, all 1st liners should get A’s and all 4th liners should get D’s (which seems like a very naive opinion from someone who is supposedly such a great hockey mind). Interesting. I think those suggestions are not good ones, but I don’t act like a total prick toward you every chance I get.
Other people are not always going to be of the same opinion as you, and not everyone is willing to let you browbeat them into just giving in because you’re treating them like crap because you don’t share the same opinion.
So here it is: as a fill-in, sure, Hnidy did his job. Would I give him an A? No. Why? It is clear that they never planned for him to be anything more than a guy who can dress when other d-men are hurt, and do so in a very limited role, i(4:37 in game 2 v. Montreal, 2:38 in game 3 v. Philly, and 2:37 in game 4).
In other words, he comes off the bench in order to give the other guys a few extra seconds of rest. He doesn’t bring much more, if anything, to the table. That’s his role, and sure, he fills it, but grading his 2 minutes per game doesn’t make much sense to me at all.
Campbell, however, is a valuable PKer and a fourth-liner in what is arguably the best “energy line” in the NHL (can it even be disputed? Doubtful). He filled his role very well this past season, and managed to tally 13 goals while doing so. Do I think he deserves an A? Absolutely.
Kick his ass, Seabass!
by phonymahoney on Jul 20, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You seem to want to sign every free agent on the market, use up every last penny of cap space, and trade away any and all prospects
When have I advocated trading any prospects? When have I advocated signing every free agent? I have advocated signing more than Pouliot and given many examples of guys I would like. That’s a far cry from signing everyone. I also haven’t advocated using up all the cap space – I’ve said that it’s stupid to protect this year’s cap space to the extent it is.
So, to begin a theme of your post, you’re misrepresenting what others have said.
. It also seems that you think that in this mock Bruins report card, all 1st liners should get A’s and all 4th liners should get D’s (which seems like a very naive opinion from someone who is supposedly such a great hockey mind).
And you base this on what exactly? My suggestion that Marchand, a 2nd liner, gets an A and Campbell gets a B? Funny … again, it seems like you want to misrepresent what I have said.
Maybe the difficulty you’re having in this discussion is that you create positions for others rather than replying to what is actually said.
I think a B should go to people who did great at their role (i.e. Campbell). An A to someone who ended up getting promoted beyond their role / excelled in a position that can’t be promoted (i.e. starting goalie / first liner), and a C should go to someone who barely executed their role, and a D to someone who doesn’t belong on the team.
I also don’t know why you think that I believe I’m a great hockey mind. I’m posting on a blog. I’m not employed by a team, nor am I close to or interested in being in such a position.
What I can recognize pretty quickly are logical fallacies and inconsistencies – and that’s what I generally call out.
Maybe the difficulty I’m having is that you are just impossible? Have you ever thought of such a thing? I have actually been supportive of a handful of your opinions (or parts of them, at least), and I do not get up your ass when I disagree with what you say.
You, however, do not operate in the same manner. Instead, you come across as extremely arrogant, which is why I sarcastically referred to you as a great hockey mind.
When I made the comment above, I had no intention of searching for and quoting every comment you’ve ever made here, nor do I now. The point I was trying to get across is that I disagree with your opinions and the opinions of others as well, but don’t constantly bait people into arguing with me. In fact, other than Berkshire and that Canucks chick, I don’t think I’ve really argued with anyone here. You, however…
Kick his ass, Seabass!
by phonymahoney on Jul 20, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Look – I’m willing to admit that I’m argumentative. If you make a comment that I disagree with and I see fallacy – I’m going to respond and point it out. That’s usually the point of blogs.
But I’m not going to sit here and let you say it’s a one-sided deal … this conversation had pretty much died and what happened? Oh yeah, an all-caps post 12 hours after the fact and name calling.
All caps is a big deal when it’s three words long and non-offensive? Seriously? If that irks you, sorry, it wasn’t meant to do that at all. It was kind of out of excitement that I didn’t have to bother typing it all out because TCL did it for me. As far as the time difference goes, I check the site when I have free time at work for the most part, so my timing is often behind. It happens.
That said, I don’t mind arguing with you or anyone else if it’s friendly, and I’m not asking that you don’t call me or anyone else out. Maybe it’s just because inflection isn’t clear in text, but sometimes it comes across to me like you’re belittling your opponent(s) or acting like they’re being absolutely ridiculous for feeling the way they do, which I’m not a fan of, regardless of if that opponent is me, Servo, Cale, Corny, or whomever. Of course, I can get riled up when I feel like someone is talking to me condescendingly, so if you haven’t meant things that way, keep in mind that it’s hard to tell in writing. That’s no fault of yours or mine, it’s just the way it is.
I was going to write more, but I’m exhausted, can’t remember what I was going to say and really should go be productive (le sigh) – have a good night.
Kick his ass, Seabass!
by phonymahoney on Jul 20, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair grade
yet somehow I suspect Colin must have had a hand in this. I call conspiracy!
It is that thing that I sent to you.
I think the Bruins have one of the best 4th lines in the NHL. Even if they don’t score they tend to be very good at pinning other team’s lines in their defensive end and wearing them out.
I also think Campbell and Paille were key players when it came to the PK during the playoffs.
Campbell was a real bonus in the Horton trade. I know the goal was for the team to mostly get Horton but Campbell turned out to contribut as much.
That 4th line was the only one to have every member improve their zone (higher ratio of offensive end-zone than start-zone)… though that is helped by the fact that they were by far the lowest OZone start value
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jul 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i am actually colin campbell
HOW DID YOU KNOW.
by xokathryn on Jul 18, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 18, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
in case you didn't know, Mr Campbell,
Cornelius is our self-appointed forum hall monitor.
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by phonymahoney on Jul 19, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well excuse me for wanting comments to be more readable than your average tsn comment column if this site gets the hundreds of comments on an article that sbnation obviously wants
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 19, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
le sigh!
I have no problem with you wanting comments to be more readable, I was just giving you crap, good sir!
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by SkateHitShoot on Jul 19, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
11/10
and this certainly deserves to go to greentown!
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by phonymahoney on Jul 19, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2011 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad you liked it!
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by SkateHitShoot on Jul 20, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously I’m still laughing about this like 5 minutes later, this is amazing
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Same here, I’be been laughing about it all morning!
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by phonymahoney on Jul 20, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish i could rec this twice
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by phonymahoney on Jul 20, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
bahahaha
I love that we routinely make you have to clean your computer off
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by phonymahoney on Jul 20, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't say that too loudly -
they’ll ban you from NM and HEOTP!
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by phonymahoney on Jul 19, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
obvious A
exceeded all expectations all year. best 4th line in the nhl this year
You know how I said my profile pic would always be an animal? well, Chara's a BEAST!
Looks like an 'A' to me!
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Florida fan checking in..
When Florida traded Horton I was happy as hell. The guy had taken many nights off here, showed poor attitude especially in the locker room, and was the only guy out of about 25 who spoke up and said he wanted out. To get a puck moving D-man with wideman as well as a few picks (with trades over the past years wideman turned into roughly 3 more picks) I said it was a steal for the cats when it came to our future..
however losing campbell was the downside, he was quietly working his way up to being a major fan favorite. He worked hard put his body on the line and actually showed heart, we miss him and glad he got his Cup.
(Btw just a prediction to prewarn you guys.. don’t get any hopes up with Horton next year.) He’ll most likely become more slack as he has in years past once he becomes ‘comfortable’, the offense he put out at the beginning with the bruins only to fizzle out.. yeah he’s done that every season with florida only to fizzle and have a mediocre season.
by Rob PKane McMahon on Jul 20, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
There's a difference between the Bruins and Panthers:
The Bruins gave Horton a legitimate chance to win. The Pathers have been a failpile of an organization for years and years. Who could blame him for wanting out?
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by phonymahoney on Jul 20, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Panthers*
whoops
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