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Is Tim Thomas Working on a Hall of Fame Career?

Tim Thomas had an incredible season backstopping for the Boston Bruins while leading them to their first Stanley Cup Championship since 1972. Although Thomas has only been in the NHL for six seasons, could it be safe to say he is working on a Hall of Fame career. I say, the numbers don't lie. I have taken the time to sift through years of statistics and achievements compiled by some of the greatest goaltenders to ever play in the NHL, and who all happen to be in the Hockey Hall of Fame. 

The first netminder to cross my radar was a man by the name of Jacques Plante. He won six Stanley Cup Championships, won the Vezina seven times, had 437 regular season wins, which 82 of them came as shutouts. Plante ended his career with a 2.38 goals against average. His playoff stats boast 71 wins, with 14 shutouts and a 2.14 GAA. The only record Jacques holds is the most Vezina Trophies won. He played for 20 seasons. 

This next goaltender is synonymous with goaltending. Patrick Roy won four Stanley Cup championships. During those championship runs, Roy also racked up three Conn Smythe Awards. Roy has won the Vezina three times and the William Jennings five times. Throughout his regular season career he won 551 games. Out of those 551 wins, 66 of them were shutouts and finished with a 2.54 GAA. Patrick also had a record setting playoff career with 151 wins and 23 shutouts. His three Conn Smythe awards also happens to be a record. He played in the NHL for 18 seasons. 

Terry Sawchuk brought four Stanley Cup Championships to Detroit. Sawchuk won the Vezina four times and won the Calder Memorial once. He compiled 447 wins with 103 shutouts and a 2.51 GAA. In the playoffs he had 54 wins with 12 shutouts and a 2.54 goals against average. Terry holds the NHL record for most career ties with 172. He also held the record for shutouts with 103 for 39 years until Martin Brodeur broke it in 2009. He played 21 seasons in the NHL. 

Bernie Parent won two Stanley Cups. He won two Conn Smythe's and also won two Vezina's. Parent won the Conn Smythe, Vezina, and Stanley Cup all in the same year, twice. He had 271 regular season wins, 54 shutouts and a 2.55 GAA. While in the playoffs, Bernie had 38 wins, six shutouts and a 2.43 GAA. Parent played in the NHL for 13 seasons. 

After reading through the awards and achievements of these four great goaltenders who all played 13 seasons or more in the NHL, I have no doubts that Tim Thomas will one day be giving an induction speech. When comparing awards, Thomas is right there in the thick of it. He has won one Stanley Cup, one Conn Smythe and two Vezina's. He is just the second hockey player to win the Stanley Cup, the Conn Smythe, and the Vezina all in the same year and the second American born player to win the Conn Smythe. 

When comparing records, he holds some impressive ones. Thomas holds the record of 798 playoff saves. He holds the record for most saves in a Stanley Cup Final with 238. The most impressive record is a regular season save percentage of .938%. In Thomas' six seasons as a goalie in the NHL his GAA is a mere 2.50, which tops three out the four goaltenders mentioned above. 

Thomas has 161 regular season victories with 26 shutouts. He has 26 playoff victories with five shutouts and a 2.06 GAA. Again, this is only with six seasons experience. I believe when Thomas has played at least 13 seasons (which is the amount Bernie Parent played) his awards and achievements won't only stand up, they will rival the best of them.

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so you’re saying you expect Thomas to play seven more NHL seasons?

by Ryan Durling on Aug 5, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That’s what I got out of it.

by beaugustus on Aug 7, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m saying that if he does play for at least 13 season’s and for a majority of those years he plays at or near the level he has the last 3 season’s, then he will be pretty much a lock for the Hall.
The way I worded the article could have led you to believe that was what i was saying, but I wasn’t trying to insinuate that he is going to play another 7 years no matter what.

by TrevorJack on Aug 8, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no way in hell he plays until he is 43.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

keep saying that, he does better when he’s proving critics wrong

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 8, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m hardly a critic here. I’m a big Thomas fan and was one of the few to support him through his struggles last season but to think that he is playing until he is 43 is just plain unreasonable. We both know this to be true.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unreasonable: sustaining a .938 save percent during a year

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 8, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Highest previous was .937. There have been 3 .933 seasons, all in the past decade. Save percentage has only been kept as a statistic since ’83-84 (when they started the true Vezina I believe) so much smaller sample.

The retired career leaders for goalie games played are Roy, Sawchuk, Belfour, Joseph, Hall, Espo and Beezer. None made it past 41 and only two made it that far, Belfour and CuJo (who only had 30 games in his final two seasons). Only a select handful have made it up to 43 as a goalie (Worsely, Plante, Bower) and none since the 70’s from what I can tell.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Thomas has a chance to set another record and you think he doesn’t go for it?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 8, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

What other record would that be?

I also go back to my years of weekly church attendance growing up… the spirit may be willing but the body is weak.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recchi played until he 42, players in their past have played into their 50s, why can’t Thomas do it?
I think he’s proven that he could

by TrevorJack on Aug 8, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goaltenders have never played into their 50’s. In fact, I don’t believe any have exceeded 46 and that was 40 years ago. The longest of recent goalies (last two decades) to my knowledge is Roloson who will be 42 next year.

And just because he COULD doesn’t mean it is likely he WILL. Come on people… the guy is going to be 37 next year and had major surgery just a season ago. Do you honestly think he is playing another 7 years? I love the guy but that’s just being unrealistic.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m actually thinking he might retire at the end of this contract. He doesn’t have much if anything left to prove and got his retirement fund this past deal. Doesn’t seem like he’d be keen on another team nor would the B’s be interested in continuing to keep Rask back long term.

by TomServo42 on Aug 8, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is exactly my thought.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see him playing for another team. No way.

Kick his ass, Seabass!

by phonymahoney on Aug 9, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

As good as he’s been, I truly believe he only has 2 or 3 more good years.

by Dave Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously, though. reply is your friend, ^^^^

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 6, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are other important things in life than worrying whether or not somebody is using reply, I may be wrong though

by TrevorJack on Aug 6, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

BLASPHEMY! You are hereby sentenced to become a Maple Leaf fan!

"2011 Stanley Cup Champion Boston Bruins!" - Music to my ears!

by SkateHitShoot on Aug 6, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well sure, but on the other hand, it’s one extra click and is worth the extra effort. of one click.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 6, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concede

Okay, I will use the reply button from now on, I do NOT want to be a Leafs fan

by TrevorJack on Aug 7, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying I expect him to do anything. If he continues to play the way he has then he will make the Hall. That’s what I’m saying

by TrevorJack on Aug 5, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope he can continue to play at this level, the only problem is he’s only done this for a few years and he isn’t young enough to add a lot more to his resume. While I think Thomas right now is the best goaltender in the league, there is no way he matches what he did last season.

by Dave Carignan on Aug 5, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paging Cornelius Hardenbergh -—————-^

by TomServo42 on Aug 5, 2011 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

oooooooo! this guy is getting served BIG TIME!

"2011 Stanley Cup Champion Boston Bruins!" - Music to my ears!

by SkateHitShoot on Aug 5, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah where is he? I know he loves doing it to me when I do it by accident.

by Dave Carignan on Aug 5, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of us go out on friday nights, okay?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 6, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think he retires after this contract is up

hes not a shoo-in but he could make it. 2 seasons to get more hardwear or he doesnt make it.

bergy for selke.
retire #16!

by muffinman2 on Aug 5, 2011 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

2 Vezinas and a Cup; he could make it.

Kick his ass, Seabass!

by phonymahoney on Aug 5, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Needs just a little more hardware and some more wins.

by Dave Carignan on Aug 5, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has a jennings too and some records

1 more cup or 2 more awards get him in

bergy for selke.
retire #16!

by muffinman2 on Aug 6, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutely am okay with him winning another Cup.

by beaugustus on Aug 7, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

shit hes 10 times better then osgood

and dont let any redwings fan tell u otherwise.

bergy for selke.
retire #16!

by muffinman2 on Aug 8, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

he may retire after his contract is up after the 2012-2013 season, but I also think he might pull a favre and see what he can get for an offer. I think he will still want to play.

and for the record, I too think bergeron should get the selke this year

by TrevorJack on Aug 5, 2011 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Bergy is very much a Selke candidate in my eyes.

Kick his ass, Seabass!

by phonymahoney on Aug 5, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

guys been looking at my blurb?

hes been cheated out of it EVERY year. not even a nom?! wtf

bergy for selke.
retire #16!

by muffinman2 on Aug 6, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

im also a nifty fan

16 should join the rafters!

bergy for selke.
retire #16!

by muffinman2 on Aug 8, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m borderline about that, but certainly would not be upset if they did retire it.

by Dave Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here.

Kick his ass, Seabass!

by phonymahoney on Aug 9, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok i love taz

but if hes up there. so should nifty be

so says muffinman

bergy for selke.
retire #16!

by muffinman2 on Aug 9, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

he might sign another 2 years

but he knows he will be a backup. and thats ok, cant win a cup without 2 goalkeepers. tukka needs a chance. i forsee thomas being a backup his final contract year. maybe thomas starts 40 at the most

bergy for selke.
retire #16!

by muffinman2 on Aug 6, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it will all depend on how well he performs this upcoming season. I really hope he posts another Vezina Trophy year and sets some more records, like beating his own save percentage record of .938

by TrevorJack on Aug 6, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be nice it he could repeat that performance, but it will be hard to expect that to happen.

by Dave Carignan on Aug 6, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean

He did unofficially win back-to-back Vezina’s though, the year in between, he didn’t play because of hip surgery, so you could technically say he won back-to-back.

although, I know he is getting older and it’s hard to repeat top-notch performing season’s, but I think we’ve all witnessed (well bruins fans anyway) that there is something special about Tim Thomas.

If anybody can do it, it’ll be him. I am holding out hope for him and holding my breathe. I have faith in him. I refuse to think logically in this case. he is supernatural.

by TrevorJack on Aug 7, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting thought process there…

by beaugustus on Aug 7, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least you acknowledge your lack of logic.

He played in 09-10. Injured or not, he played and he played bad enough to lose his job. Giving Thomas credit for back-to-back Vezinas is just silly.

by timmmc on Aug 24, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you think they’ll take him for another 2 with tuukka waiting in the wings tho?

by beaugustus on Aug 7, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

no i see thomas

having less games played each year. but not really a backup per se. more like a mentor

bergy for selke.
retire #16!

by muffinman2 on Aug 8, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

He needs at least two more top-notch seasons to merit Hall consideration. Even then his case will be weak. Frankly, he has to crack 250 wins to really stand a chance and thats two excellent seasons away.

Hell, there are goalies with more than twice as many wins as Thomas currently has and they aren’t likely to make the Hall!

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

One of the main stats are those wins. He has the hardware but needs more games under his belt.

by Dave Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, one big flaw in this article is the use of the Vezina trophy as a stat… the Vezina can’t be compared across eras since before the 81-82 season it was automatically awarded to the lowest goals against.

So you are better off comparing Jennings trophy wins to old-school Vezinas.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s tough to figure out who is HOF-worthy anyway – Oatesie was a pretty mean playmaker and he’s getting hosed (IMO).

Kick his ass, Seabass!

by phonymahoney on Aug 8, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

here’s a short-list of non-active, non-HOF skaters by hockey-reference’s “point shares”

Some of those guys (shanahan, sakic, sundin, neidermeyer) are recently retired shoo-ins for first-ballot…Oates is a little further down and there aren’t any goalies in there

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 8, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get what you’re saying, but you never know who they’re going to vote in.

Kick his ass, Seabass!

by phonymahoney on Aug 8, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing as Osgood is borderline HoF and he has 401 wins I don’t see how Thomas can even be discussed yet with his 161 wins.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

osgood shouldnt get in the hall

rayzor would have had better stats if he played on all osgood’s teams. im not a huge fan of osgood. hes not stellar. and he won 3 cups as hasek’s bitch

bergy for selke.
retire #16!

by muffinman2 on Aug 8, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree he’s nothing special but statistically he still dominates Thomas… longevity should count for somehting after all and wins are overvalued by many.

Can’t say I get the Hasek comment though…

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

bitch

is the same as backup goaltender in detriots book. they ride goalies wiht a backup playing 10-20 games

bergy for selke.
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by muffinman2 on Aug 8, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slight problem… Osgood only overlapped with Hasek for two seasons.

The first (06-07) saw Hasek play 56 games to Osgood’s 21 and Hasek played all 18 playoff games.
The second (07-08) saw Hasek play 41 games to Osgood’s 43 but Osgood was the postseason goalie getting 19 games to Hasek’s 4.

They won the Cup that second year. If anything, Hasek was Osgood’s bitch when they were together in Detroit.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn

ill be honest will u bobby. i didnt research that at all. i just think osgood shouldnt be in the hall. the only wing i know shit about is pavel…my fav non-bruin

bergy for selke.
retire #16!

by muffinman2 on Aug 9, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I too agree that Osgood doesn’t merit hall… he is borderline and more of a compiler than a standout.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 9, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although Osgood was a very good goalie all of those years he was on a team that always were contenders. I think his401 wins are embellished a bit because he was on Detroit his whole career. His career SV% was .902 and had a GAA of 2.49. The GAA is pretty good, but that SV% is nothing spectacular at all. All in all he was a good player his entire career, but overrated without a doubt.

by Dave Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, wins is a dumb stat. In Ken Dryden’s book, he talked about how even if he let in a goal his teammates would almost always go score another one, making wins easy. Osgood is the same way.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 8, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

So too are GWG and +/- and yet I see both referenced constantly.

Just cause a stat is flawed or pointless doesn’t mean it won’t still carry weight among fans and media.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

+/- apparently doesn’t carry weight in the Norris discussion though, so maybe there’s hope!

by TomServo42 on Aug 8, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but the Norris is easy. Are you Lidstrom? If so, here is your trophy.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 8, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

amen

weber was the real winner this year. im man enough to say he beat out chara. but lidstrom? the guy is great but points are not the only thing

bergy for selke.
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by muffinman2 on Aug 9, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed… I thought Weber deserved it the most.

Also thought Bergy should have been second for Selke behind Kesler. No way he should have been behind Dats or Toews.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 9, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck kesler

bergy, pavel the perfect, then toews

bergy for selke.
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by muffinman2 on Aug 9, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No Pavel. He missed a full third of the season. If that makes his candidacy legit then Malhotra gets it over all.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 9, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

pavel based on rep

(he is a red wing afterall) so just give him the metal. just kidding. thats just the real order i would rate them. not this season

bergy for selke.
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by muffinman2 on Aug 10, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is defiantly an overrated stat, but you really need a decent amount to be hall worthy. And unfortunately some players get screwed when they stick with a bad team for too long.

by Dave Carignan on Aug 8, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If thomas plays as long as osgood did, and then only won around 200 games, then his amount of games won could be criticized, but thomas has only been playing 6 seasons, with one of them cut very short because of hip surgery, and has 161 wins. that is pretty darn good. So if he did play 18 seasons and the amount of games that osgood played, thomas would theoretically win 522 games. That is based on real mathematical equations. he has won 161 games in 5-and-a-half seasons. that averages out to 29 wins per season. If he played 18 seasons then you would multiply 18 by 29 which gives you 522, significantly more than osgood.

by TrevorJack on Aug 8, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 – That season was NOT cut short due to hip surgery. Yes, he had a hip injury but he played the duration of the season but was surpassed by his backup.

2 – Thomas DID play all those years Osgood did… difference was, he wasn’t deemed good enough to play in the NHL.

3 – Extrapolation is a ridiculous method to use… if you think it means anything at all then I don’t know what to tell you.

4 – Osgood has a better win-percentage than does Thomas for his career. He got his team 897 points (401 W, 95 T/OTL) in 744 games played (1.206 point ) compared to 366 points (161 W, 44 T/OTL) in 319 GP (1.147 point)

5 – You can’t simply toss out half a season because Thomas was injured and certainly cannot do so without giving Osgood the same benefit over his long career.

6 – Your ‘mathematical equations’ are risible and outright ridiculous.

7 – You can’t simply ignore the fact that Thomas saw 4 games back in 02-03 either. The fact that he made it to the show and then disappeared for a full season (excluding lockout) speaks volumes of his perceived value at the time.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Aug 8, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s your opinion on Manny Fernandez’s time in Boston?

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 8, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Felix the Cat?

Kick his ass, Seabass!

by phonymahoney on Aug 9, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

felix>manny

manny>auld

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by muffinman2 on Aug 9, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

he always played with great shooters

but good shooters always played with him….soooo idk

bergy for selke.
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by muffinman2 on Aug 8, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

A hall of fame career are you kiding me…. not even close he wont play 13 seasons sure hes been great but theres absolutely no way he will have a hall of fame career look at the names you posted the greats of all time thomas is barely if not even the greatest bruins goalie of all time…..you clearly have no idea what your talking about just give up and dont post anything hockey ever again

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