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Bruins Midseason Grades

The combined GPA in this photo is 3.27, according to Professor Unwin.

The all-star break approaches, so let's take a look at the entire roster and see who's made the grade, and who needs to stay after class for some extra help.

Matthew Bartkowski - Grade: D. An Incomplete is more appropriate, but I'm a harsh grader. Sue me. -2 in 3 games and a negative Corsi don't earn you points in my book. Doesn't seem like he's developing the way you'd like, though to be fair, it's hard for anyone to look good on that lousy Providence team.

Patrice Bergeron - Grade: A. He probably should have made the all-star team, but averaging more ice time than any Boston forward, and the only one that sees consistent time in all three situations (penalty kill, power play, even strength), I'm thinking he could use the 5 days off. Bergeron is second on the team in points, brilliant on faceoffs and is a legitimate candidate for the Selke Trophy. Hard to do more than that at this point in the season.

Johnny Boychuk -Grade: B+. I like what Boychuk has done this year. He's benefiting, obviously, from pairing with Big Z on a consistent basis, but it's hard to knock the +22, or the sterling Corsi numbers. It seems like the brain farts that plagued Boychuk in the past seem to have subsided, and he's using his considerable physical talent to great advantage.

Gregory Campbell - Grade: B+. Campbell's a hard guy to grade. His relative Corsi is the worst on the team, and he's got just 10 points. So he sucks, right? Well, remember that he plays with a couple of muckers, gets an offensive zone start about once a month, and is a primary penalty killer. Soupy wins over 55% of his draws; only Peverley and Bergeron are better among guys who regularly take face-offs. He's dropped the gloves 5 times, allowing Lucic and Chara to rest their mighty knuckles and (somewhat more importantly) avoid potential injury. In short, Campbell does everything you want a fourth line center to do and a little more.

Jordan Caron - Grade: C. This has to be a frustrating year for Caron, who looked like a good bet to win a bottom 6 job, but his ascension has been stalled by the surprising play of Pouliot and Hamill. Personally, I'm okay with that. For years, the only requirement for promotion from Providence to Boston seemed to be having 2 legs, 2 arms and a head. If the Bruins are forcing good prospects to wait their turn, that's not a bad situation.

Zdeno Chara - Grade: A. 25 points, defensive leader in relative Corsi, and relative plus-minus (among guys with significant playing time). I'm sure he's looking forward to getting screwed out of another Norris Trophy.

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Joe Corvo - Grade: B. I should give him an A just to show how much of an upgrade he is over the corpse of Tomas Kaberle. In truth, Corvo is playing the exact role that Kaberle played last year: tons of offensive zone and power play time, rarely on the penalty kill. If nothing else, Claude Julien is playing to his player's strengths. Corvo can skate like the wind, has a great shot and some very nice puck skills. But the Rock of Gibraltar on defense, he ain't.

Andrew Ference - Grade: B+. I don't think there's a player who's grown on me more in the last 18 months than Ference. He was dreadful in 2009-10, and signed to a contract extension that seemed mind-boggling at the time, was pretty good in 2010-11, sublime in the first round of the playoffs, and has kept it going from there. Ference's 16 points are impressive from a guy who's not renowned for his offensive skill set, and who gets essentially no power play time. On the intangible side, Ference is always one of the first guys to drop the gloves if a teammate has taken a borderline hit. You know what, Andrew? Just for you, I'll drive my mom's Prius on my next out of town trip, instead of my SUV.

Zach Hamill - Grade: C+. The eternal prospect has shown a pulse! I'm not convinced that there's a place in Boston for Hamill after this year, but he's skated well and (to my surprise) shown some ability to play wing. He's had some very soft ice time, surely by design, but he's shown that he may still have some value as an NHL player.

Nathan Horton - Grade: B. Horton should be a 30+ goal scorer every year, and yet, once again, he's on pace to come just short of that. He needs to shoot more and take fewer penalties, and neither of those flaws is likely to change. The +3 rating on a team this good is somewhat surprising considering he's on the top line. At this point, he is what he is: a very good winger who isn't quite a star.

Steven Kampfer - Grade: B. He's been phenomenal, but in very limited time. His Corsi and plus-minus numbers are off-the-charts good. Alas for Kampfer, Boston's defense has been (surprisingly) healthy all year, and so he's been stuck on the 9th floor more often than not. He'll have to settle for being one of the best 7th defensemen in the NHL.

Chris Kelly - Grade: A-. He's cooled a lot after a hot start, but that was to be expected. When your third line center is giving you 23 points in half a season and doing some first-class penalty killing, things are going well. I keep worrying that I'm going to wake up and read that Peter Chiarelli has signed him to a 3 year, $10 million contract extension.

David Krejci - Grade: B. He's the flip side of Kelly's season. After a cruddy start, Krejci has played to his true form, and his 31 points in 36 games are perfectly acceptable, considering where he started. But his +3 rating isn't impressive on this team, and his relative plus-minus is the worst of any forward. Krejci, improbably, seemed to be a better defensive player 3 years ago than he is now. If that's a product of working more on his offensive game and becoming a true #1 center, so be it, but it warrants mention.

Milan Lucic - Grade: B+. His numbers have been a little better than his linemates, so we'll bump him up half a grade. He's third on the team in points, is on pace for another 30 goal season and leads the team in hits by a decent margin. But Lucic takes way too many bad penalties, and I question whether that will ever change. Lucic plays with extreme aggression, and intimidation is a key part of his arsenal. It would be nice if he maintained the aggression, but played smarter, but I fear that it's something we'll just have to live with.

Brad Marchand - Grade: B+. Much like Lucic, Marchand really needs to do a better job of cutting down the dumb penalties. For a guy with a (well-earned) rep as an agitator, Marchand doesn't draw a whole lot more penalties than he commits. He draws 1.4 penalties per 60 minutes, but commits 1.3. You don't have to be a prick to be great at drawing penalties; Boston's leader in this department is Hamill, at 2.2. Among regulars, Bergeron and Seguin both score higher than Marchand. Still, we can't judge Squirrel too harshly when he's got 32 points in 37 games, and a gaudy +27.

Adam McQuaid - Grade: C+. McQuaid showed a little offensive skill last year, but that appears to have been an aberration, as he has just 4 points so far. He's been solid in his own zone, but his Corsi numbers are the worst on the defense. I'd say it's because he's on the third pairing...except that Andrew Ference has posted some very nice offensive numbers, almost exclusively at even strength. If only the Bruins could take McQuaid and Kampfer into a lab, and combine McQuaid's size, strength, physicality and own-zone awareness with Kampfer's speed, skating, passing and offensive awareness. If they could do that, they'd have one all-star defenseman, and one guy who's doing something other than playing hockey for a living.

Daniel Paille - Grade: B+. Quietly, Paille is having a magnificent year. So good for a fourth liner that I nearly bumped this up to an A-. I'll take 10 points in 36 games and a +7 from a fourth line winger any day. Yes, his Corsi numbers stink, but that's to be expected from a fourth liner. You know what really stands out, though? Paille hasn't had a penalty all year. Not a one. If the job of a fourth liner is to go out there for 10 minutes a night and not hurt your team, Paille has excelled.

Rich Peverley - Grade: A. I didn't love Pevs' contract extension, nor did I love the fact that they traded Blake Wheeler to get him, but Peverley has been excellent this year. 29 points in 36 games is excellent for a third line forward. What really stands out, though, is his penalty killing. Peverley has been Boston's best penalty killer, and it's not even close. (Yes, better than Bergeron. I'm sorry if that hurts his case for the Selke Trophy.) Peverley has 1.72 points per 60 minutes shorthanded. For perspective's sake, that's better than 4 Bruin forwards at even strength. He has a +4.32 relative plus-minus, by far the best of any Bruin penalty killer (Chara is second among regular penalty killers at +2.21).

Benoit Pouliot - Grade: B. With all the fuss about Pouliot's resurgence (or, I guess, "surgence", since he was never any good before this season), I was rather surprised to see that he had just 15 points. I honestly thought he had more. You can't complain about the value: 1 year, $1.1 million, some inside dirt on Les Habitants (probably), and a goal that's one of the sweetest you'll ever see. For a third liner, though, he doesn't provide as much ancillary value as you'd like. He doesn't kill penalties, he's nothing special defensively, he doesn't block shots, and he takes more penalties than I'd like. But he's been offensively good enough to hang with the second line on occasion and he has 47 hits, good for 6th on the team, 2nd among forwards (Lucic, obviously, is first) and ahead of guys like McQuaid, Ference and Campbell. Even the "greatest waste of talent in NHL history" can become tough when he puts on the spoked B.

Tuukka Rask - Grade: A. He leads the NHL in save percentage and goals against. I can't imagine what else you'd be looking for from a goaltender. Remarkably, the Bruins are poised to have the NHL leader in save percentage and goals against for the fourth straight year. Hey Timmy, is your seat getting a little warm? (Whoops, hang on, I'm dodging a lightning bolt.)

Tyler Seguin - Grade: A. It's hard to overstate what Seguin has done this year. At the tender age of 19, he's become an offensive alpha dog, leading the Bruins in goals and points. He almost never gets penalized and draws a fair number of them. Seguin's a Corsi machine, and small wonder: only Chara has taken more shots (only 2 more, at that). He's figured out that putting the puck on net is always a good thing. (Horton is 7 years older and still doesn't always grasp the concept.)

Dennis Seidenberg - Grade: B+. It seems that Seidenberg has finally done what the Bruins wanted him to do all last year: carry the second pairing. The Seidenberg-Corvo match seemed an odd one, to me, but it's worked pretty well. Seidenberg continues blocking shots at an impressive rate (81), and is second on the team in hits, and still soaks up ice time like a sponge, so the ancillary value is there. He's not providing quite as much offensive value as you'd hope, but part of that is probably due to letting Corvo carry more of the water. In return, Seids is picking up more of the slack on defense.

Tim Thomas - Grade: A. He's on pace to break his NHL record for single season save percentage...and he's second on his own team in that category! Thomas, of course, has a shot at his third Vezina Trophy in four years, and can't realistically do any more than he's doing. The goaltending Boston is getting right now is just unbelievable.

Shawn Thornton - Grade: B+. I've long said that having a designated enforcer is pointless. But if you're going to have one, it's hard to do better than Thornton, who at least won't hurt you too badly when he's on the ice. He's got 8 points and is a plus player despite playing on the fourth line. He's fifth on the team in hits despite getting about half the ice time that Lucic does. And of course, he inspired the Shawn Thornton Hat Trick.

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He's aliiiive!

Thanks for doing this; your pieces are always a good read.

For years, the only requirement for promotion from Providence to Boston seemed to be having 2 legs, 2 arms and a head.

I’m thinking having a head would have earned prospects extra credit back then. Things were really scary for at least a decade in the prospects dept… I blame Mike O’Connell for the most part.

And of course, he inspired the Shawn Thornton Hat Trick.

Even before that beautiful penatly shot goal, I don’t know if I’d consider Thornton be be just an enforcer; he’s done a solid job on the 4th line for a while now – it is absolutely the league’s best fourth line, and I don’t think it’s only due to Soup and Paille’s efforts. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying the Quiet Man carries the B’s on his back, I just think he’s good at what he does — yes, he is an enforcer, but he’s not a talentless hack who doesn’t help the team without using his fists.

Kick his ass, Seabass!

by phonymahoney on Jan 16, 2012 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

Alive and well. The good news is that I got promoted at work at the end of the year. Money, accolades and prestige to the left, scantily clad women to the right! The bad news is that being a person of greater importance than I was at this time last year leaves me less time to screw around on the internet writing about hockey.

I guess you can look at Thornton one of two ways, either he’s a winger who’s slightly above replacement level and who provides added value both in the locker room and with his pugilism, or you can look at him as a fighter who provides significantly more value than the average fighter because he’s not a huge liability on the ice. I suppose either approach is valid, but consider this: if Thornton woke up tomorrow, converted to Buddhism, found inner peace, and decided he would no longer seek to punch opposing players into submission, would he still be a Boston Bruin? I tend to doubt it. Thus, I’m inclined to put him in the class of fighters who actually help their teams on the ice, like Chris Neil and Zenon Konopka.

by Phunwin on Jan 16, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Would love to see Konopka in a Bruins sweater.

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by Dave Carignan on Jan 16, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

If they can’t work out a deal with Campbell, he wouldn’t be a bad guy to go after. Konopka can’t skate for anything, but he’s a goddamned Jedi Master in the faceoff circle.

by Phunwin on Jan 16, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, the guy doesn’t lose faceoffs. Earlier in the year on a power-play Jason Spezza told MacLean to send Konopka for an offensive zone draw, the guy wins the draw and ends up tipping in a goal seconds later.

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by Dave Carignan on Jan 16, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Though that faceoff value would be reduced some given Bergeron’s mastery of the dot and Krejci’s competency. If I recall, Boston is first as a team in faceoffs by a decent margin.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 16, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a good point. Bergeron takes an overwhelmingly high percentage of Boston’s faceoffs. He’s taken almost twice as many as Krejci has.

But if Campbell was to leave, someone would have to take those 4th line draws. Maybe that skill is worth less to Boston than to some other teams, but it still has value.

by Phunwin on Jan 16, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Congrats on your scantily clad women and $$$!

(If you’d like to share, I’ll take the money, but I’m not into the womens!)

I don’t disagree with you about Thornton re: a Bhuddist awakening, but I think we’re not gonna see that anytime soon (I hope?). Either way, if the Dalai Lama calls, we know we can look toward Neil or Konopka. ;)

You make a good point about going after Konopka if they can’t hold onto Soup.

Kick his ass, Seabass!

by phonymahoney on Jan 16, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Thornton to me is a fighter with hockey skills more than a hockey player who fights.

I like Thornton though-I love his attitude, and I love the way he is as a teammate.

I personally believe the day of the designated fighter/enforcer type is going the way of the dinosaur.

by TCL40 on Jan 16, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I realize he’s an enforcer, I was just pointing out that I think he brings more to his team than most guys in the enforcer role do.

Kick his ass, Seabass!

by phonymahoney on Jan 16, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, in the days of the cap and tight rosters you can’t afford a waste of space like Orr or Godard.

I think there will always be a spot for guys like Shawn though… solid players who will fight when necessary. Can’t see that spot going away anytime soon.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 16, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Guys like Orr and Laraque who literally cannot skate and just go headhunting will just continue to be a liability to their squads as the game continues to get faster. I’m pretty confident that I could skate better than those two.

I agree with you. Thornton’s modest offensive skillset makes him a big asset to the team as an energy guy.

by dudebro on Jan 16, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m anti-enforcer, and even I think the Thorntons and Konopkas of the world will continue to have jobs. As long as you have a couple of viable NHL skills, if you can throw a punch, you will have a job. Thornton isn’t a terrible skater, has a little offensive punch, and is a quality checker. Fighting opens doors for him that his skills alone might not. I’ve no problem whatsoever with that. Orr, Godard, Laraque, Boogaard (RIP), etc., those are the guys that are (fortunately) going the way of the dinosaur.

by Phunwin on Jan 16, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me add this: I LOVE fighting. Love it. I oppose any attempt to take fighting out of hockey. I just dislike the idea of teams employing players who can’t play the game just because they think they need an enforcer. I have no problems with Shawn Thornton having a job as long as he continues playing like he did last season and so far this season.

by Phunwin on Jan 16, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Entirely agreed.

I used to laugh my ass off at the Rangers… they always seemed to struggle to score goals and yet they still held a roster spot for Colton Orr. Are you telling me that there was no one in your system who could provide some extra offense?

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 17, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

By the way, I wrote this on Friday, but because we had a lot of pieces going up that day, I pushed it back to this morning. However, the numbers may not all be current because there was a game Saturday, and I didn’t get a chance to double-check after that.

by Phunwin on Jan 16, 2012 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

Can someone explain to me what a Corsi ranking is? Never got the full explanation.

by Crazychf on Jan 16, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

The number of shots on net while a player is on ice, sorta like +/- but with shots instead of goals. Shots on own net give a minus, shots on opponent’s a plus. Purports to give an indication of how a player impacts possession.

by TomServo42 on Jan 16, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Pouliot had a slow start and didn’t really start to put any points up until about 1/4 of the season was up, but has gotten almost a point per game since.

I kind of like Pouliot-he is likely going to have a career as a bottom 6 sometimes top 6 player, but teams need those and I like the physical game he brings. He is also really good on the backcheck. I also think the 3rd line is missing him.

by TCL40 on Jan 16, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Phunie, Great Job! This might be the first time your eye towards statistics and, in my opinion, the all important eye test have matched almost exactly. I might have given McQuaid a B so the whole team could have made the honor role, maybe an extra point for being the tough shit that he is!
That insane role they were/are on was/is incredible, I don’t know if I’ve seen a team play so dominantly for so long. Playoffs should be great!

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by SkateHitShoot on Jan 16, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

A lot of advanced metrics can be found at http://behindthenet.ca/

Can be confusing to navigate and they don’t always give the best description of what a stat is or what it means so its harder to utilize. Honestly, a lot of the advanced hockey metrics remind me of baseball fielding metrics… stats will often contradict one another and there is no clear indicator of which stat is best or even what it really means.

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 16, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That site is handy, but the layout is not at all intuitive. Alas

i don’t think it’s a matter of which stat is best – I think you just have to cross reference a few different ones and not look for a be-all-end-all. I like to look at Corsi, QoC and Zone Starts/Finishes to get an approximation of a player’s possession skills. A guy’s Corsi is going to be influenced by his zone starts, so if he’s getting decent to good Corsi with high quality competition and a healthy dose of Dzone starts, he’s more valuable to me than with a hot shit Corsi but less defensive responsibility and starting in the opponent’s end. There are various Corsi variants that measure these impacts all-in-one more or less, but I find one number doesn’t give the whole story.

Slight tangent, I think a lot of hardcore stat-heads (and those merely statistically intrigued like me) make the mistake of assuming all players should be judged on the same metric. I think there’s its a fallacy that a good Dman should produce a high Corsi and largely Ozone finishes, which is all great . But while offense ain’t a bad defense, guys skilled at preventing production but not necessarily rushing the puck aren’t judged too well by these measures. A stay-at-home guy’s got value that’s not measured by the more PMD-friendly advanced stats.

by TomServo42 on Jan 16, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I get my material from Behind the Net, and yes, the site is about as easy to decipher as a Rubik’s Cube…while blindfolded. Still, it’s the best I’ve been able to find. I’m more than open to other suggestions.

I do, however, take some issue with the notion that Corsi favors puck movers over stay at home guys. It’s a measure of shots for vs. shots against. A good stay at home guy should be able to prevent the opposition from getting plenty of shots off, no?

by Phunwin on Jan 16, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

To some degree, but I don’t think that role is necessarily charged with stopping shots altogether, but with preventing clear chances and positioning against forwards to keep bids to the outside. They’re also less likely to directly influence offensive production. i find it logical to assume that they’d receive more – than + on the balance by definition of their job description.

No, it’s not worth tossing out the stat altogether, but at very least Corsi for those players is more of a team number than it is for a PMD.

by TomServo42 on Jan 17, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I wholeheartedly agree with this. I’ve probably lost an inordinate amount of hours of my life arguing on the value of puckmovers. The mistakes they make that lead to goals are often easily identifiable ones to the average fan (the eye test as some call it) because they’re mistakes made in the name of making plays.

Where your bottom 4 pairing stay at home guy’s mistakes are far less identifiable, because they’re often missing plays in the name of not making mistakes.

My favorite examples of this were/are Kampfer and Stuart. Almost every Bruins fan on HFBoards can identify the few mistakes that Kampfer has made in his career. That same population of people likely cannot identify a single PLAY that Mark Stuart has made. He cost the team goals in the name of being “steady”. But what isn’t quite as easy to realize in the eye test but that CORSI (combined with QualComp and Zone Start/Finish) does a fantastic job of quantifying, is that it’s almost impossible for another team to score from your offensive zone. So while Kampfer might attempt to make a play to turn over transition, and it turns into an ugly mistake/goal scoring chance, it often turns into far less goal scoring chances than a stay at home guy continually weakly chipping the puck up the boards and allowing the other team to maintain possession. 1. Because he doesn’t have the skating/passing skills to move the puck out against pressure and 2. Because he doesn’t have the speed to retrieve the puck before pressure can take shape.

by Michael Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

So in other words, Mark Stuart was horrible?

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 17, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I was never a fan, but I’ll admit huge bias there. I hated that draft pick.

by Michael Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at the draft class, I can understand the distaste. Kesler, Mike Richards, Perry and Eriksson all taken within the next 15 picks

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 17, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s much worse than that. We had the #16 pick originally and traded back to #21 and received the #66 (Marjamaki) and #107 (Bitz)

In between 16 and 21, Parise, Getzlaf, and Brent Burns were drafted.

by Michael Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Ooof. While I loved Bitzy, that is still a terrible move.

I always liked Stuart and it always seemed like he was on the cusp of taking on more responsibility and getting more offense. But of course, he never actually did either of those things…

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

You’re cherrypicking a particularly subpar defensive defenseman to make your point.

Why do most teams prefer pairings to feature a guy with offensive talent paired with a defensive stalwart? Because the former makes high-risk plays we want covered by a guy who isn’t going to bail on his positioning. Again, possession is a great defense, but while the ideal is to make a clean breakout from your own end, you’re not going to do so everytime you touch the puck and you need guys who have a skill set beyond outlet passes or skating speed – which aren’t attributes recorded and glorified by Corsi.

I’m fascinated by stats and am trying to learn more, but I find it’s folly to assume such a complex game can be boiled down to a magic number or two by which all can be measured.

by TomServo42 on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t call that cherrypicking because Stuart was revered for his defensive prowess by the same people who loathe Kampfer. I was just using a specific example that I’ve spoken to in the past.

The ideal is to have as many defenseman as possible that are capable at BOTH. Where I tend to find the disconnect is that most fans are under the impression that defensive only defensemen, because they’re in the NHL are inherently capable of making transition and plays, whereas puckmovers can only move the puck. And like Phunwin before me, I disagree that CORSI doesn’t record those attributes. If Corvo or Kampfer (to use examples of guys regarded as offensive only defensemen) are unable to make a clean breakout, and their skillset leaves them incapable of cleaning up the mess so to speak, CORSI will absolutely record the resulting shots that follow, likewise, if defensively capable players like Seidenberg and McQuaid do their jobs and clean up the mess, CORSI will reflect the fact that no shots resulted from a failed breakout.

by Michael Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed that ideally, a defensively sound D-man with offensive talents is what we all want.

I’d argue that by your example, CORSI still favors the Corvo’s of the world because their mistakes result in higher percentage but lower quantity shots while a successful McQuaid is likely to produce the opposite – lower percentage but higher volume.

by TomServo42 on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh, I’m not so sure. I’ve seen plenty of slow retrievals that have led to weak chips and really high quality scoring opportunities.

by Michael Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

That also works both ways. Corvo’s CORSI for under the same thought process just as likely leads to higher quality shots.

by Michael Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree. That’s further to my assessment that it’s a stat that favors an offensive skillset and does not measure defensive ability well

by TomServo42 on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

actually, i jumped there, disregard the above, i see what you’re saying

you do have a point – if they’re accurate, they’re going in rather than getting repeat chances, though I’d suggest that blueline shots are never going to be of terribly high percentage themselves. On the D end, we’re talking about the difference between allowing an inclose or uncontested shot by a forward versus forcing a cycle to the outside and allowing a low percentage point shot

by TomServo42 on Jan 17, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I used to make an effort to explain the stats I cited and I’ve gotten away from that. Given the comments in this thread, I’ll have to make more of an effort to explain those and why they’re important the next time I write…which will probably be around St. Patrick’s Day.

by Phunwin on Jan 16, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll try to make the same effort, which should be fun as I attempt to write weekly. Loved the report card!

by Michael Taylor on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Corvo

Joe Corvo is the softest and worst defensive defenseman in the league. How can you play defense in the NHL when you are terrified of hitting anyone? I’d take Kaberle anyday over him.

by clduds34 on Jan 17, 2012 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Corvo isn’t a defensive defenseman… he’s an offensive defenseman.

Somehow I doubt you would take Kaberle’s contract over his…

by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Corvo is a defenseman so he is supposed to play defense….
And I would take Kaberle anyday, any contract over Corvo who is directly related to one or two goal allowed every game lately.

by clduds34 on Jan 18, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone’s supposed to play defense AND offense. It’s how it works. Corvo’s offense is pretty good.

Nobody’s Bourque (or Orr…or Shore), though, so offensive defensemen will always get a bad rap in Boston.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 18, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Search back issues of this here blog, you’ll hear the same gripe about Kabs. Or search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Also,

How can you play defense in the NHL when you are terrified of hitting anyone? I’d take Kaberle anyday over him.
… yeah, I don’t think Kaberle is going to slake your hit lust. Good luck with that though

by TomServo42 on Jan 18, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

“Supposed to play defense” is the main focus of your statement, not stand around and watch as the other team steals the puck from him and is alone in front of the net while he watches. I was at the game last night and focused on him, he cant play the body, stick check, or play passing/shooting lanes. Look at his time on ice the last week. Claude is obviously noticing his horrible defensive and offensive play.

I dont remember Kaberle turning the puck over in his own end 3 or 4 times every game. Corvo is a good skater but just because he throws a 50 mph wrist shot on net once or twice per game doesnt make him an improvement over Kaberle. Stick him on any other team and he has 5 point and a 10 +/ this year. He should give Seidenberg and our goalies his paycheck for saving another 30 goals their opponents should have (on top of the 30 he is directly at fault for) because of his giveaways and no contact, sorry defense.

by clduds34 on Jan 18, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Seidenberg and Peverly are stealing his minutes at the point on the PP for a reason, which I thought was supposed to be his specialty. Claude called him out saying he lost his confidence. I wouldn’t be surprised if we keep seeing his minutes dwindle down until he is gone at the trade deadline for another defenseman.

by clduds34 on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

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