Live Stream for Bruins' White House visit
Bruins are going to be intro'd at 1:40 EST. Talk about it here and stuff.
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Brad "Little Ball of Hate" Marchand
doesn’t have that ring to it..
I hope he was just in the bathroom or something
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
lol haggs.
it’s well known that timmy is republican, yes.i hope that is 100% not the reason he’s not there.
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by sarahconnors on Jan 23, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I bet he was just in the bathroom
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm… I can’t see Timmy skipping that event for a non-important reason… although his being a staunch Republican kind of bums me out.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Timmy seems far too nice and pleasant and awesome and compitent to be staunchly Republican. ;) Of course, I would still get a Timmy jersey.
Ference is a good choice, too. Gotta get behind Captain Planet.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Because he is Republican? Or because he opted not to attend the team visit to the White House?
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
the combo. Don’t care about his politics if he’d suck it up, keep his mouth shut and take one for the team
Wow…
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly how I feel.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
that’s the point he was making.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I could deal with his being Republican if he weren’t a dick about it. Skipping the event = being a dick about it.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
And what if I said I was republican? Would I too be ostracized?
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
No. You aren’t skipping a team event at the White House.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
God forbid a man actually stand up for something he believes in…
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
not wanting to meet a Democratic Pres
is something he believes in ?
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It’s not that. It’s a team event, he’s a big part of the team, and it’s an honor for them to have been invited there. Are you saying he doesn’t believe in congratulatory ceremonies?
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a photo-op during an election year… nothing is apolitical at this stage.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
i’m sure this will give him a big bump in the coveted New England NHL fan demo
by TomServo42 on Jan 23, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s a photo-op during an election year… nothing is apolitical at this stage.
If these aren’t the ramblings of a conspiracy theorist, I don’t know what are… have you being visiting NM lately?
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
NM
probably disagrees with Thomas’s decision as well. :P
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by westy99 on Jan 23, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, not a conspiracy theorist, just a practical cynic.
And I have no beef with Obama, I voted for the man. My own views don’t enter into the discussion.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
A conspiracy theory would be something like “Obama was so peeved by Thomas’ politics that he had Thomas removed from the presentation.”
Observing that this is Obama once again trying to get some face-time on TV in order to schill for votes in every way and for every demographic he can… is like saying the sky is blue on cloudless days. It’s just a fact.
And no, I’m not a republican, but I am a conspiracy theorist. Tim Thomas was the 21st hijacker.
The president, regardless of whomever holds the title currently, typically invites sports champions to the white house for a meet & greet. I don’t understand why this is such a big deal to Thomas, or anyone else.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand why this is such a big deal to anyone else either…
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be interested to see what his exact reason is. If it’s more complex than not wanting to meet a Democrat, I’ll give a listen.
PD states that he is ideologically opposed to Obama and his policies. That, to me, goes deeper than political party and into personal views.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Still a team even should transcend belief bullshit; it’s not like they’re going to meet Hitler, Stalin or Idi Amin.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Tuukka has flashbacks to the Continuation War from a previous life.
by 13_Legion on Jan 23, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If he says that he would decline
any Presidential invitation then I could nod my head in agreement, as Obama has carried on some Republican policies. So it better not be based on a party issue.
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That’s the only way I would agree with Thomas’ decision also. If it’s not, “I don’t want to shake a D-politician’s hand,” but instead the more reasonable “I don’t want to shake the hand of a murdering, constitution-trampling egomaniac figurehead.”
That I could agree with. And it would apply to all of the last five presidents and all of the current candidates outside of Ron Paul, who is not any of those things (though he is a host of other bad things).
by ArthorBear on Jan 23, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What if it had something to do with disagreeing with the government bailouts or the continued existence of Guantanamo or the clandestine military actions in the Middle East?
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
As a Michigan native, I’m not sure he could disagree with bailing out the auto industry, but that’s neither here nor there.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
The Republican thing disappoints me, but that’s not what I’m angry about; Timmy has a right to believe in what he wants to.
What aggravates me is that he’s a part of the team, and it was a team invite. By not going, he’s insinuating that he’s above the team.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
THIS. exactly how I feel. Such a selfish choice, regardless of politics.
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by sarahconnors on Jan 23, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So he’ll have to sit a game.
Just like when Seguin missed breakfast. Or will he miss more? I’d have to think skipping a meeting with the president warrants more time off than skipping breakfast…
Ignore the politics, they don’t matter. He is skipping a team event.
No it’s not.
Seguin was given multiple warnings for skipping the team breakfast. His suspension was the result of a pattern of irresponsibility. This is in no way, shape or form a similar infraction.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t disagree with that; they’re trying to market the league and its players any way they can… to have the guy who stole the show in the Stanley Cup Finals has to be a little diheartening. I realize it’s not a commercial, but you know this gets press attention, so having Timmy skip it is shitty.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
No way in hell they could enforce it. If Chiarelli had ordered him to go and he refused then the league could step in. Instead, he opted out of a team event with the permission of the team’s GM, reluctant as it may have been.
Just what is the league supposed to fine him for?
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
It wouldn’t be something that they could do. Would I support it? Likely, if it were worded correctly and could be defined. Can they do it? Unlikely.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
That would be appealed so fast it wouldn’t be funny. And the league does NOT need a fight with the PA right before CBA negotiations over such a meaningless thing.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Did I say it was possible? No. Strictly hypothetical.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Why would the league fine him for missing a team event?
Maybe a team fine but those are almost never publicized anyhow.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 23, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
And a fine in this instance wouldn’t make sense. If the team were to fine him over it then they should have instead mandated that he go.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
best i can do off the top of my head is “conduct detrimental to the league or the game of hockey” but that’s prob a reach. Ah well. Team should have handled it
by TomServo42 on Jan 23, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well they did ask him to go a bunch of times and he still said no
Are they going to tied him up and drag him?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 23, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
They asked him to reconsider, yes. But they never said he had to go, at least not according to Chiarelli. It is within his right to mandate it but he specifically said he did not do so.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Well it’s a team event and participation is mandatory for all of those, unless you’ve got a good excuse.
“I don’t wanna” isn’t one.
Whatever.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 24, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
That’s how I feel… a team event is just that: a team event.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 24, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, I’m angry about the “bigger than the team” image that this creates. The Republican thing, while disappointing to me on a personal level, is not the issue and has no bearing on my view of his skipping the event.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
It saddens me that you lose respect for a person over their political views.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Did I say I lost respect for him?
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
From your other statements and the disappointment I did take that to be the general idea, yes.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Nah. I don’t think what he did was right, I respect his right to skip the visit, but I don’t think it was the right move on a team level.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Thing is, I agree with you.
But that doesn’t mean I don’t respect the decision and it definitely means I won’t see him condemned for making said decision.
He did what he thought was right. This country and this world would be a lot better off if more followed his example instead of bowing to the popular opinion.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t disagree, I really don’t. And as I said somewhere below, I love that he doesn’t care what people think… my issue is just the “bigger than the team” perspective, that’s all. I fucking love Timmy and will continue to do so – I’m just a little disappointed that this was the choice he made – and I’m not saying this because I’m Probama or anti-Republican (but I will not deny being either of these things).
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
And at least his decision wasn’t because he dislikes Obama or democrats, but dislikes the government as a whole (if you believe his statement).
Or he could just be racist and hiding it…
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
(this is in response to your first sentence, not the second thought!)
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I figured as much. Have now seen the racist angle twice, once from the media which is just wholly irresponsible.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
yes
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by sarahconnors on Jan 23, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Also for the streaming impaired:
His speech writers found every joke that’s pretty much been said about this team; but good on him for recognizing them! (Also kind of sad with all this talk of teamwork and Timmy not being there but…on to the next game.
Very mad at Thomas
I went and had a jersey made for him and he goes and makes himself bigger than the team. Chia should have followed through with a suspension for skipping a team event. What’s good for Seguin’s good for the star goalie.
Seguin was protesting against time zones btw…
Chia said it wasn’t a mandatory event and he understood TT reasons.
by BearsandBuds29 on Jan 23, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Mandatory or not, it’s a team event. Dickish to skip.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Understood or not, his skipping it is unacceptable, IMO.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Unrelated
but hearings set for Michalek and Ovechkin. Makes me think that the Sestito hit will go unpunished.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions
Brilliance from DGB
Tim Thomas: "I’m tired of foreigners coming to America and trying to take our jobs!" Tuukka Rask: "Dude, I’m standing right here."
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
I absolutely fucking love DGB.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
It’s kind of sad that one of the main reasons why Boston won the Stanley Cup declined to attend this pretty non-partisan event. The rest of the team attended, and they’re not even from America. At the end of the day, he’s a goalie for our favorite hockey team; politics shouldn’t play into that alone. But I think at the age of 37 he could have grinned and bore it. Usually if I’m choosing to not be in the same room as someone it’s to stave off a meltdown or conflict. Was it really that bad?
I wonder if that’s really why he didn’t go? If so, I think that’s a pretty dickhead move. Bruins > Timmy. Name on front > name on back. No “i” in “team”, nobody wins a game by themselves (which can be debated), etc, etc.,
Insert teamwork cliche here.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t it make sense to reserve judgment on the man until his statement is released at 6 tonight? I mean, why jump to conclusions and make assumptions?
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I read it in the Globe. Chia’s quotes, etc.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Really disappointing and childish display if it is about politics
I was very excited to see the face of American hockey meeting with the president today. It’s not a political event, it’s just an honor and a tradition.
Meeting a sitting president is a really cool and totally unique experience. I had a chance to meet George W. Bush when he was at Boston Latin introducing No Child Left Behind. I was very excited to shake his hand even though I believed he was bringing ruin to our nation.
Of course, this may just be his show of solidarity with Kaberle and Ryder who didn’t get invitations.
kaberle was there
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by sarahconnors on Jan 23, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
nope, no ryder. recchi, though!
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by sarahconnors on Jan 23, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Sheriff, too.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
fly-ass suit
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 23, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
People....
Who gives a flying fuck if he attended or not??
First of all, stop jumping to conclusions. Thomas has said he will release a statement as to why he chose not to attend. I think he has earned the benefit of the doubt by now, don’t you? I mean, how about you wait and let the man give a justification before killing him for his decisions (which i am sure he considered very seriously)
Second, and more importantly, are you really killing someone for opting to use his right to free speech and expression? Come the fuck on.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:36 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I still like him as a goalie and would love the chance to sit down and have a beer with him sometime. I just wouldn’t mention anything political, is all. :)
Which makes sense… I mean, why would you want to discuss politics with a pro athlete?!
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Freedom to choose
doesn’t mean freedom to avoid criticism for the choices made.
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Better question: when would I have that beer with him, anyways? ;) Bottom line, my opinion of him as a goalie hasn’t changed, and pretty much, my opinion of him as a person because he “came out” as Republican really hasn’t either. Just wish he would have attended as part of the team, is all.
I can understand that. I don’t agree with his decision but I won’t criticize any man for doing that which he thinks is right.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I should amend this… I won’t criticize any good, reasonable man for doing what he thinks is right.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Have actually had a beer with him.
And seemed quite down to earth.
A Republican at University of Vermont? Jeez, Pilgrim in an unholy land. Lol.
by 13_Legion on Jan 23, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Aw, I’m jealous. He always struck me as a down-to-earth guy. Wonder if he became a Republican while at UVM! ;)
I care.
I was really proud when the best player in the league last year was an American. I don’t care that it doesn’t make logical sense to feel that way, but I did. And I wanted to see him meet the American president (who, incidentally, I also don’t like) in the White House, which belongs to ALL Americans, not just the guy living in it.
I’m not saying he doesn’t have the right to skip it, I’m just disappointed.
by Black Bird on Jan 23, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
PD view on the matter
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:53 PM EST reply actions
They make a good point referencing Sean Avery and his backing of gay marriage.
Both stood tall and backed something they obviously believe in despite the potential repercussion amongst their teammates and fans. While you don’t have to agree with their stance, in my opinion you do have to credit them for their resolve.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of jumping to conclusions, can you expand on just what he believes in that you’re so supportive of?
I could care less what he believes in… merely that he believes so fervently. It is something that is horridly lacking amongst many in this country.
I don’t care what you believe in, just believe in it.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’m disappointed at the lack of recognition of this quote…
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I credit him for not caring what people think, but that doesn’t stop me from thinking it’s a douchey move.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
When you have diehard fans cussing him out and considering changing their jersey purchases I don’t think it will so easily be forgotten.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s hope you are right. I could definitely see it being constantly rehashed, especially if the Bruins falter of the next few weeks.
Moronic media members will bring it out to serve their own agendas, political or otherwise. Lord knows CHB will have a field day with it.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
TONIGHT AT 6PM
tim thomas will reveal to the world that in 1995, when president obama was a young, hotshot civil rights attorney, he guest lectured at UVM. that night at beta house, tim thomas was there celebrating a catamounts victory with his buddy marty and his best girl, donna. the hot shot attorney called barack showed up, chain smoking his way through the joint, ripping beer bongs and generally stealing the thunder of the popular hockey team. timmy got so drunk that marty had to help him home; needless to say, he lost track of donna.
the next day, she talked a lot about civil rights and smelled like marb lights.
tim thomas swore revenge on that hotshot lawyer. even if he had to become the best goalie in all of america to gain his platform…
by wobblesmith on Jan 23, 2012 3:53 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
neither was pouliot!
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by sarahconnors on Jan 23, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
It’s only cause they were acquired during the off-season, and not part of the Stanley Cup winning team. . Make up your more interesting reason why neither attended here. :)
. . .
Fucking commie bastards.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
There was a better Stahlin picture, but I couldn’t get to the site from my work computer. :(
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think I read either in the blog posted above or on Boston.com that he had told them months ago he would not attend, and Chiarelli and others would periodically ask him if he had changed his mind.
Which tells me that he had a LONG time to think and consider what was the best approach to take. He’s a smart guy so I am sure he agonized over this decision and will have a reasonable justification for his absence.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I won’t criticize Timmy’s decision not to attend any more than I’d criticize anyone here’s decision to criticize. It’s the beauty of a free society. The honor is the invitation in my mind. The team has the opportunity to attend and meet the President, an opportunity that few earn. But it’s just that. An Opportunity. It’s not by any means a requirement. Free Society and All.
by Michael Taylor on Jan 23, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
With the caveat that my politics align more with Thomas than with Ference, I’m not bothered by this and I think it’s a bit of a shame so many people are going to trash him for it, though it is their right. He doesn’t want to appear as supporting the President’s politics, especially in an election year, so what else can he do? Discretion is the better part of valor, and removing himself from the situation prevents him from being obnoxious about it (and yes, I know he’s conspicuous by his absence).
Furthermore, if they had won when Bush was in office and Ference decided to skip? I have no issue with that either, nor would he deserve the complaints that he’s being disrespectful. It’s his right.
Now if I were in Thomas’ place, I would show up, but wearing a 1-foot diameter “Vote Romney” button. I would think I would be considered much less respectful.
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by Arenacale on Jan 23, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How does attending a team event where you are honored for winning the Stanley Cup show support for the president? I would bet more than half of that team doesn’t support Obama or his views, citizen or not.
Maybe it doesn’t! But he is concerned that it would be, and that’s his right.
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Of course it's his right.
He totally 100% has the right now to attend for whatever reason. The thing I’m most disappointed about is that the whole big picture is now on Thomas, not the team. I think he could have sucked it up. And I don’t think anyone is thinking anyone on that team is “supporting” Obama because they attended. Silly to think that. BUT everyone has their views and has their right to it. I’m not trying to start stuff, just stating my view, and I can see where you are coming from too.
If you’re a good teammate on the 364 days a year in which you aren’t invited to Obama’s office, I’m guessing that your teammates will extend their respects to your beliefs and it will be an almost instant non-issue among those that count.
In my mind, skipping out on a charitable team function is much, much worse, publicity or no.
by Michael Taylor on Jan 23, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, I’ve never heard of any issues between him and Ference so I somehow don’t see this posing a problem.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I respect his right, but not the choice he made, if that makes any sense. It’s a team activity, mandatory or not, and Timmy is part of the team.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think shaking a guy’s hand during a team appearance is an endorsement of any kind, and I can’t help but question the sanity of those who would. I get what you’re saying, I just don’t see how appearing at a team congratulatory ceremony would be considered a political endorsement.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
nah, you made your point!
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
The Romney button would have been hilarious!
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
It absolutely would’ve been hysterical.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be curious to see his reasoning. I have backed him thus far for the same reasons you have… it is entirely his prerogative. Now I expect that he has spent some serious time weighing his options and came to this decision with good reason. If it turns out to be some illogical or ridiculous reason then I’ll say he made the wrong decision but I refuse to bash the man without knowing his reasons.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Best comment from Puck Daddy
“If you can shake Alex Burrows’ hand after the Stanley Cup Finals, you can shake hands with Obama.”
by Black Bird on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I wonder if Thomas
regrets not showing. I bet he knew there would be controversy, but not this much?
Thomas isn’t going to let fan and media backlash ruin what he thought was the right move for him.
by BearsandBuds29 on Jan 23, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
This thread is great!
This has been one of the most entertaining reads I’ve had in a while. This is the one day where one could discuss political BS in a sports related blog and not be told to shut-up.
For the record: All politicians are crooks and liars.® (D) (I) ALL
And, the best line above in how to deal with this, “I don’t care what you believe in, just believe in it” and no, I don’t know where that’s from.
It’s from the movie Firefly.
I’m amused your republicans turned into a registered trademark…
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Thomas' statement
“I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.
This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.
Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.
This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic. TT"
by TomServo42 on Jan 23, 2012 6:31 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
So Timmy said “ya’ll suck” and choose not to go….it is what it is.
by BearsandBuds29 on Jan 23, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
keep your mitts off my $5m/yr! Now we’re going to hear about trade demands to Florida so he can pay fewer taxes to the gubmint
by TomServo42 on Jan 23, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thomas made an articulate statement of his beliefs after his public protest and you put those words in his mouth, politics in this country have sunk so low…
Or, he was kidding. We do joke aroujnd here from time to time.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
So in other words it had nothing to do with Obama or the democrats but with the government as a whole.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds that way to me. Also sounds like the unabomber to me.
I kid, I kid!
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
. . .
“The government is too big and intrusive; thus, I am protesting until King Zdeno and I, your supreme ruler and Hockey Jesus, Timmy, are seated side by side, ruling all the world – everything the light touches shall be our kingdom.”
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but seriously folks
tim thomas is stockpiling firearms as we speak.
oh michigan, when will you learn?
Oh, my God someone over on Days of Y’Orr had the same thought I was thinking off-handedly: What if he’s thinking of testing the waters for running for office after hockey, even at the state level at some point?
I know, I know: This is how rumors get started…
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by Arenacale on Jan 23, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps the most ridiculous tweet I have ever seen:
Don’t know if it’s fair to point this out, but Tim Thomas has three children named Kiley, Kelsey and Keegan.
https://twitter.com/#!/TSNDaveHodge
So in other words, you now think he is a KKK member? Nice…
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 7:55 PM EST reply actions
That is totally out of control. WTF?
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Very weak.
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by Dave Carignan on Jan 23, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Precisely. And I don’t see any possible meaning of this other than the obvious KKK inference.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
The positive for the Bruins, and Thomas, is that this will get some play locally over the next 24 hours, and then everyone will be returning to Bradyfawn mode. They picked the right week for this, that’s for sure.
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by Arenacale on Jan 23, 2012 8:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can this be the last time we ever talk politics on SCOC? It’s really harshing my mellow.
Keep Calm and Tim Tom
I’d rather marsh your mallow.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 24, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Nationalism about Team USA is still cool, though.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 24, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Irony
The people here who are critical of Tim Thomas are critical because they think he’s acting “bigger than the team” by missing an optional team event (or a even a mandatory one with the PERMISSION of the GM/President) making this “big statement” …
Aren’t you the ones who are making a big deal about it, and making HIM bigger than the team by talking about this and letting it overshadow the event instead of recognizing today as a day to celebrate the team? If Thomas was the one who wanted to make a big deal about it, then he would’ve came out with a statement yesterday or earlier saying “HEY EVERYONE I’M SKIPPING THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT SUXX” and we wouldn’t have just found out about it today. Besides, it’s not like Thomas missed the parade in Boston, the trophy presentation ceremony, the banner ceremony, etc. It’s like 7 months later and most people only end up seeing the 30 seconds of it they show on the news or SportsCenter anyway. Yes, I know, it should be considered an “honor” to meet the president of the US (especially if you are American) or else you are a communist, but hasn’t he been at every other big team event involving the celebration of this championship team?
Now, would I consider it selfish if Chiarelli said to Thomas, “If you miss this mandatory team event, you will be suspended by the team for X games”? Hell yes. However, if it was not mandatory and/or Thomas was given permission by the team to miss this event, then that’s good enough for me. Don’t know if you guys noticed but Chia seems to know what he’s doing and I trust his decisions. If this was optional, I don’t see what the big deal is. Nobody seems to have an issue with someone skipping an optional morning skate, optional practices, etc. And these happen all the time and show more to players and teammates about your commitment to the team than attending a corny ceremony with the President.
Also, let’s all criticize Rich Peverley for missing the Florida road trip for personal reasons. We don’t know what those personal reasons may be, but we should criticize him, because he made himself bigger than the team, damn it!
by bcfan131 on Jan 23, 2012 8:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
he ate a news cycle by abstaining and politicizing and took the eyes of his team and their achievements on a national, hockey transcending stage. Sounds pretty Tim above Team to me.
by TomServo42 on Jan 23, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
didn’t mean to rec your comment— personally, i admire tim thomas for holding fast to his beliefs. he doesn’t need to do something he doesn’t approve of. you should at least respect that.
by delta on Jan 23, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
a few legitimate points in here
but lets be honest – this isn’t the same as, say, Johnny Boychuk skipping the visit. The fact that he was the MVP, the face of the franchise during the championship run, and the ONLY American on the team makes it a big deal. And he’s smart enough to know that.
HE decided to make a political statement out of something that is just a non-political tradition.
God, I fucking hate politics.
by Black Bird on Jan 23, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I hate politics too
Therefore I’m not going to let Timmy’s political statements or views change my opinion on him as a goalie or as a teammate. I’m perfectly capable of liking someone both as a person or an athlete without agreeing with their politics, though I guess some people aren’t. The whole “this is a selfish act” narrative I think is tired and kind of stupid. If his teammates had a problem with it, don’t you think someone so candid and honest like…say Andrew Ference, would’ve at least hinted at something? Or the media would’ve heard from a “source” that Tim Thomas is all about himself? This is almost as dumb as when everyone made a big deal about Ference calling out Paille for his headshot last year.
I’d be more upset if he decided to skip the Bruins parade (you know, something meant for the fans) because of what he thinks of Mumbles Menino. The White House thing is more meant as something for the team to enjoy, not so much the fans. And how big of a deal do you actually think our entire team of non-Americans finds a visit to the White House?
From Cam:
As an organization we were honored by President Obama’s invitation to the White House. It was a great day and a perfect way to cap our team’s achievement from last season. It was a day that none of us will soon forget. We are disappointed that Tim chose not to join us, and his views certainly do not reflect those of the Jacobs family or the Bruins organization. This will be the last public comment from the Bruins organization on this subject."
How could you disappoint Cam!?
Thomas, the one American being honored exercised his rights as an American. To his teammates, this is a vacation trip, a chance to see another country’s leader. It’d be like some of us meeting the Queen or Stephen Harper. To him, it’s his nation, and he did what he thought was right. It’s just a shame that Felger was so obviously mad for political reasons himself. He really is insufferable at times.
well said
he didn’t have to go. he didn’t make a big scene of it. i tried googling a list for the number of White House invitations….i couldn’t find one, but the list has got to be pretty long. nobody complained when people ditched out on Bush.
look, the point is he believes very strongly in something. i’m not gonna shit on you because you refused to shake hands with Ghandi or the Dahli Lama…..if you believe in something you as a human have every right to stand by those beliefs
that’s kind of inevitable. an unannounced absence out of political protest. any way you slice it, it’s going to make a scene
It made a scene with the fans and media. If it was a big deal with the team, they would’ve done something like suspend him or fine him for missing the event. If they let him miss it without punishment, then they’re obviously okay with it, and that’s really all that should matter when considering it a “selfish” act.
I could never do such a thing and be able to live with myself. CAM??!
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I have met the man, and he is indeed way cool. He’s a friend of my boss, and has shown up/called my office a few times, and I’ve been totally speechless on each occasion… my favorite ever.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Tim Thomas is from Michigan
Michigan’s unemployment rate is approx 9.8% (that’s just the ones who are unemployed. who knows who many more there are who don’t count as “unemployed”). that’s awful. i’d probably be pretty pissed at Obama too ;-)
He’s not pissed at Obama though… read his statement.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
He supposedly isn’t pissed at Obama… however, as a Michigan native, maybe he should be happy that the auto industry got bailed out?
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by phonymahoney on Jan 23, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
The Bruins organization
Clearly threw Thomas under the bus here.
They had to be aware of his political views and, seeing these White House visits are booked months in advance, could have easily came up with a reason for his absence.
Therapy day, stuck in line at Dunkin’ Donuts, whatever.
Instead they let Thomas speak his mind and pretty much allow him to put himself before his team. Massive P.R. mess, even though Neely and Chiarelli quickly washed the organization and ownership’s hands of it.
As for Thomas, he is entitled to his opinions. But in these type of things one needs to check his political ego at the door. Seriously, how many world leaders have met a U.S. President, despite the world knowing their differences in opinion?
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 23, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions
Comparing Thomas to a world leader? So even Canadiens fans agree he is the King.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"Comparing Thomas to a world leader?"
Uh no. My point is people with more serious world issues and indifferences, or representing those of their country, are willing to meet at the White House.
In Thomas’s case it’s “Check your ego at the door tubby, and smile for the camera.” That’s all he had to do.
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by Kevin van Steendelaar on Jan 23, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
That would be because they have a specific goal and their job is to meet with such people and discuss matters. Tim Thomas’s job is to stop pucks. Just a tad bit different.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 23, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’s just saying that if even world leaders aren’t able to meet the president, Thomas should consider it an honor and oblige.
@ Kevin -I wonder if the B’s knew Thomas would be honest about it, so they figured they’d let the chips fall where they may… not sure that’s how it happened, but they could possibly have figured Timmy would make his own statement and stand up for what he believes in rather than pretending to be resting/dealing with personal stuff.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 24, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Seeing as Thomas is doing this as a means of standing for his convictions, I highly doubt he would have accepted some lame-ass excuse for him not going. He would have spoken his mind on the matter.
Now you can debate whether it would have been better to make the statement prior to the visit so as not to take away from the team’s day but I think that would have only created more attention on the topic.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 24, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Seeing as Thomas is doing this as a means of standing for his convictions, I highly doubt he would have accepted some lame-ass excuse for him not going. He would have spoken his mind on the matter.
That’s what I was saying, only I worded it like a fucking chimpanzee would.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 24, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Your Somerville education hard at work…
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 24, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
HA.
More like my lack of coffee hard at work…
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by phonymahoney on Jan 24, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
As someone who lives in Latin America now
I find it amusing when millionaires in a free capitalist society complain about the system that has given them the ability to make their millions. Boo fucking hoo.
And those who believe they know what the founding fathers intended 200 years ago are full of shit. They would have never have put a hockey team in Phoenix.
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by westy99 on Jan 23, 2012 10:14 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Post of the thread
right here. It’s not like it sucks to be Tim Thomas these days. Not sure how many of your “liberties are being threatened” when you’re cashing in those million dollar checks for playing HOCKEY. I don’t think it’s too much to ask to join your teammates in a TEAM event. Way to make it all about you Tim. It’s a slap in the face to your teammates and an utter embarrassment to the organization.
by bucknersrevenge on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
And those who believe they know what the founding fathers intended 200 years ago are full of shit. They would have never have put a hockey team in Phoenix.
Fucking win.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 24, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
It’s too bad that (what was supposed to be) a nice tribute to the Bruins has turned into such a fiasco.
by light_the_lamp on Jan 23, 2012 11:05 PM EST reply actions
the potential for distraction from this is large imo.
by Pig Phister on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
"potential"
first it was 24 hours, and now its after the ASG?
by Pig Phister on Jan 24, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
timmy is da man
the goalie’s political views? bruins who went to the white house and bruins who didn’t?
i dont give a shit
I just hope Timmy becomes a repeat offender!!
And that’s it for me on this, bring on the Capitals.
by 13_Legion on Jan 24, 2012 7:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I rec’d this only because it implies that we will be repeat champions. MWAHAHAHA!
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by phonymahoney on Jan 24, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Haggs artcile on the whole shebang
with some good team context: http://www.csnne.com/blog/bruins-talk/post/Haggerty-Thomas-on-his-own-as-White-Hous?blockID=636986&feedID=3352
This assessment is Aaron Ward approved, so the behind the scenes team depiction sounds legit
by TomServo42 on Jan 24, 2012 9:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
How was it Ward approved? Via twitter?
He makes some good points on the matter and I think covers most of the views expressed here. However, I am not so certain an announcement about his planned absence a week in advance would have been beneficial at all. It would have led to constant questions and media attention in the time leading up to yesterday and would have been more of a distraction for his team, which needed to focus this weekend for NY and Philly.
I honestly don’t see how an early warning would have proved beneficial… it would have just given more time for the talking heads and still overshadowed the team visit to the White House. At least by announcing it that day there is time for the distraction to quiet down over the all-star break and it allowed he and his team to focus on what really matters… winning games against EC competition.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 24, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
sorry, yes. Should have specified:
@aaronward_nhl
Got thru reading this article by @HackswithHaggs on Thomas & honestly can’t say that anyone could have put it better. bit.ly/yxaExH
Thanks. Was a good read and interesting to get a peek behind the curtain.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 24, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
no potential distraction here. Gawd, I’m so grateful there is a game tonight.
by Pig Phister on Jan 24, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Arrogant and Self-centered
Make all the frickin excuses u want, when “celebrities” flex their self-righteous muscles like this, it’s rarely pretty. I guess that’s what the Boston goalie is now. A celebrity. How nice for you.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 24, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
The Bruins should have reprimanded him.
I think Timmy Tommy has got too big a head and someone needs to let his old ass know he plays a kid’s game. Hockey is great, but it’s a shame to be reminded that our athletes are one dimensional know-nothings who have regrettable priorities.
Free speech is about the words you chose, not from which pulpit you speak.
No. Just no. There is just so much wrong with this.
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by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 24, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Tim Thomas aspired to win the Stanley Cup and be on Glenn Beck’s show, the King of uninformed fear mongering.
To not attend a team function hosted by his country after representing the U.S. in the Olympics is shameful. If he’s still performing at a high level next Olympics (fat chance) I hope the U.S. does not extend an invitation to him.
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