Marchand to have Disciplinary Hearing Monday
Monday the league has scheduled a phone call with Brad Marchand on his hit to Sami Salo during Saturday's meeting of last year's Stanley Cup finalists. The hit was called clipping during the game and due to Salo sustaining an injury on the play, Marchand was automatically given a 5 minute major and a game misconduct. The hit changed the tone of the game and lead to the Canucks taking over with 2 power play goals. Now the Bruins might take another blow from it as Brad could see up to a 5 game suspension.
Let's take a closer look at this instance though. The call on the ice was clipping. According to NHL.com, the rule is as follows:
44.1 Clipping - Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent.
A player may not deliver a check in a "clipping" manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent’s knees.
An illegal "low hit" is a check that is delivered by a player or goalkeeper who may or may not have both skates on the ice, with his sole intent to check the opponent in the area of his knees. A player may not lower his body position to deliver a check to an opponent’s knees.
44.2 Minor Penalty - A player who commits these fouls will be assessed a minor penalty for "clipping."
44.3 Major Penalty - If an injury occurs as a result of this "clipping" check, the player must be assessed a major penalty(see 44.5).
44.4 Match Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent by clipping.
44.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - A game misconduct penaltymust be assessed anytime a major penalty is applied for injuring an opponent by clipping.
44.6 Fines and Suspensions – There are no specified fines or suspensions for clipping, however, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion (refer to Rule28).
So let's look at what the call is for: Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent.
Additionally we have that a player may not deliver a check in a "clipping" manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent’s knees.
While Marchand did lower his body, the hit is not at the knees of his opponent.
Brad Marchand clipping Sami Salo!!! Good hit or not... (via MrBusterwilly)
s both players come at the puck, Marchand drops as if to spring into a check while Salo stays high looking for the hit and not to play the puck. As Salo goes to catch Marchand high, he turns and in doing so puts his backside facing Marchand. Marchand stays low and as if sitting and flipping on a rail, Salo goes over the top. Upon hitting the ice, he hurts his shoulder.
Compared to the rules for clipping, the play comes up short. While Marchand is low, he doesn't make contact with the knees of Salo. The turning of Salo makes him go over the top as the back of his thigh makes contact with Marchand's Torso. Some may call this submarining or table topping Salo.
At this point there is no penalty against a submarine hit. Going low to avoid a hit or turning is considered fair game- a player coming in to make contact with another player is at risk for taking or missing a hit still. Claude Julien has even pointed out that this strategy may aid in reducing the major issue in the NHL- shots to the head, as players need to be more cautious when going in for huge hits that can cause concussions and long term damage to the player being targeted. The move is nothing new and can be seen as recently as this year by the Canuck's themselves:
2011 Stanley Cup Finals: Dan Hamhuis Hip Check on Milan Lucic Game 1 (via NHLHockey95)
If that's the case, then why the call on the ice? Checking the replay once more we can see that the ref's arm is going into the air prior to Salo going down. In one way, this is a good thing- the call is being made regardless of the injury. The rule book is properly interpreted for the call- if it is clipping, a 5 minute major and game misconduct should be assessed. The call on the ice was the wrong call though as outlined above. It's not clipping- the ref interpreted it as such though, most likely to 'maintain control of the game'.
This is an issue. Going into a game there should not be the need for refs to change the way they officiate. Strong arming a game leads to changes in outcome as seen in this one. Having refs able to make such a strong impact on a game is a serious threat to the quality of the product and the trust fans have in the results. The past few seasons have seen a decrease in respect for NBA officiating between scandal and the way games are called; when superstars are given calls whenever they shoot or cry, officiating becomes less valid. It becomes a means for the stars of the league to get an additional benefit to their skill, not the evening out of play coming from an injustice caused on the ice.
With the increase of diving, faking injury and the push of a strategy that relies on the power play for success, the league has a serious issue at hand. If anything that causes an injure is deemed unacceptable and reason for a penalty/suspension, then how does the league keep the game's credibility? How do we keep the game from becoming one dominated by guys who only look to draw or fake a call when playing 5 on 5 so that they can make things happen with the man advantage? How does the league keep referees from taking over a game because they're nervous about it getting out hand and let them start calling extra calls that ruin the credibility of the game? How do they do all of this while still maintaining an environment safe enough that its quality of product is not drastically reduced due to injury to its best players?
Back to the play for a minute: it's hard to look at the play and believe it's not a dangerous play. Marchand gets Salo in a manner that results in him flipping over and making hard contact with his head/shoulder to the ice. To a guy that has been as injury plagued as Salo, this isn't what you want to happen. Can the league go forward with suspending him though?
Shanahan taking over disciplinary rulings in the NHL was an attempt to remove bias and eyebrow raising for the rulings coming down from Campbell. The league additionally made an effort to clarify their rulings on head shots and put in place criteria reducing the amount of grey space and interpretation required to make a call. If Marchand's hit is deemed as not actually clipping, can it then be suspension worthy? Does injury itself now mean that a player is automatically given a hearing to see if they should be suspended?
The amount of grey space that could come from this is more than the NHL can take on at this point. If they do decide that submarining a player is something that needs to be removed from the game then the 'legislative' branch needs to get together and put in place the correct rules to do so. It's not up to Shanahan's discretion as to if this is a dirty play and to make a ruling to set precedence. If he does so then the integrity of the league will take a blow.
The mood over this situation in Boston currently is gloom- many believe Marchand will receive some time off due to the hit and there's a good chance he will (as the league has already setup a call to discuss it). The blow of losing Marchand could effect the Bruins (though they've proven so far that they have the depth to overcome hurdles). The blow that suspending Marchand could do to the league's integrity is more worrisome though and hopefully they come out with a decision and information that not only helps make the league a safer one but also let's fans continue to believe in it's judgement.
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Any kind of further discipline action is too much...
I appreciate the write-up and explanation of the penalty. I’m in no way an expert on hockey penalties so it’s nice to see the rule explained.
At the time of watching, I remember thinking that this move by Marchand looked a little dirty and that he was probably justified getting dinged for it. It was very unfortunate as the 5 minute major resulted in two goals which really hurt the Bruins chances in this one.
However, after reading your assessment it seems like it was a weak penalty call that already cost the Bruins a lot. For the league to come in at this point and pile-on just doesn’t seem right. Hopefully they’ll do nothing more than have a conversation with Marchand.
Does he have much of a history as a rough/tough player?
This is his second season (other than a few games a couple years ago), and he has definitely played a tough game- gritty and he teeters on the line between dirty and tough… His reputation is as a pest/agitator – so, if he gets suspended, meh, lesson learned (and hopefully he learns). If he doesn’t, sweet!
Kick his ass, Seabass!
it was a dirty malicious hit.. he deserves 5 games. lets beat the competition with good hockey not dirty play. marchand is an idiot.
by hockeyisthebestsportevah on Jan 9, 2012 2:07 AM EST reply actions
No, it wasn't.
I mean seriously, even the game misconduct was too much.
Game misconduct is an automatic once a major is declared. The major is an automatic once injury is apparent (Salo never returned).
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve read this comment, oh, I don’t know ten times(?) this weekend, and still it continues to escape people.
Look we can come up with all kinds of justifications and opinions, but ultimately it comes down to Shanny.
As far as the integrity of the league, I don’t think anything hurts it more than fans who somehow believe they are right and the NHL is wrong. Of course good ol’ Colie has plenty of evidence showing his bias, but he is the exception to the rule.
Once again I defer to Coach Claude. There is a hierarchy, what the upper level decides you accept it and move on. We can post 1000 comments on what each of us believes, it’s not gonna change or influence a damn thing.
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by Losted125 on Jan 9, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If anything, it looks a lot worse because Salo backs into his own attempt to hit Marchand. The point of contact is almost exactly halfway between the knee and the hip.
When I watched the game, I thought it was one of those dirty but not entirely illegal hits. I mean it looked a lot worse in real time hence why the refs pinged him for it.
I don’t think much else should come of it.
I agree on the original assessment.
I don’t think it is clipping per the rules and therefore is a legal hit but it is still one I don’t like and would label dirty. Kind of how the Cooke hit was… technically legal but just looked and felt wrong, though this one is nowhere near as bad.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
I'm on the fence with this one. Is it dirty? Yep. Clipping? Not so sure. Suspension worthy? You betcha.
The point of contact is almost exactly halfway between the knee and the hip.
It’s a shitty play, but the point of contact being higher than the knee is what makes me think it’s not clipping. And if it indeed isn’t clipping, then what do we call it? What does he get suspended for? (let’s be honest, a suspension is likely, regardless of whether we like it)
Kick his ass, Seabass!
While it’s admittedly not clipping per the definition, it still qualifies as such to me since the dangers are the same if that makes any sense.
It’s almost like Clipping 1 is a hit at or below the knees and is an automatic 5-10 while Clipping 2 is between knees and hips and gets 1-5.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
It’s almost like Clipping 1 is a hit at or below the knees and is an automatic 5-10 while Clipping 2 is between knees and hips and gets 1-5.
Sounds like a decent description, although Marchand didn’t “throw the body”, so I don’t know.
I wish that when they figure out what to call this (submarining or dirtbagging just doesn’t sound official enough, folks), that they’d write it down somewhere since Cookie got off scot-free when ended Savvy’s career on a dirty-but-not-illegal play, but Marchand will probably have to pay the piper for doing something the same thing (regardless of the outcome with Salo the glass defenseman). I don’t disagree with a suspension, I just would like a concrete rule saying what he did was illegal rather than “we don’t like that, so you’re sitting a few games”. In short, label what he did and make it illegal, because that would make things a lot easier, and then maybe the league could start disciplining the Ballards and Hamhuises of the world.
Kick his ass, Seabass!
Yea, its a tricky one. Just as with everything, it gets very difficult to objectively describe exactly what is and is not allowed. (and thats assuming you can get agreement on what is and is not allowed!)
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Large bet on 2 or 3
Not that he deserves it, but he’s getting it.
They can save themselves some time by cutting and pasting Lucic’s ruling and adding that a player was injured by the play.
Having said that, it won’t be as upsetting as the Lucic mulligan since this is at least a dark shade of grey.
Worst possible scenario is they try and split the baby and give Marchand a 1 game break. Boston fans and supporters (gooo Roenick) will be unhappy with a reputation suspension while the villifiers will be unhappy with anything shorter than a lifetime ejection.
I guess I’m saying that this is a bit like like the Chara dilemma – they’re either going to throw the book at him or completely absolve him and frankly I don’t see him getting off unscathed.
it won’t be as upsetting as the Lucic mulligan
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I know Lucic likely wouldn’t have won the game for them, but how frustrating was this?! I would be much less aggravated by the misconduct had they not rescinded it – because it’s not like we’re getting out the Delorian and re-playing the game.
Kick his ass, Seabass!
So this is my first time actually seeing the hit after being at Monster Jam on Saturday...
It’s a bad one. A stupid, stupid play. Salo clearly braces for a normal shoulder check, Marchand recognizes that Salo knows the hit is coming, THEN decides to submarine him. It’s a punk play, and while it’s not the dirtiest ever, yeah, it deserves a game or 2. Marchand plays on the line, that’s why we love him, but he crossed it this time, and they’ll sit him down for it. Better that it happens in January than in May.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 9, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
For those who believe he should be suspended...
I’m curious- what do you believe the suspension should be for? I’ve seen a number of comments all over the web saying this was dirty and should lead to a suspension, but what should Marchand actually be suspended for? Avoiding a hit? Table topping a guy? Because Salo was injured?
The NHL is attempting to give itself credibility by removing the gray space in the rule book; hockey discipline should not fall into the same boats of quality and pornography where one only knows to make a call when they see it. There should be guidelines and criteria that determine the rulings made.
Saying Marchand was dirty with this one is one thing- I’m not going to argue that because that’s a bigger argument; should he be suspended though? Is what he did any different than Ballard in this clip from earlier this season (this is the video I meant to compare it to btw, apologies for the wrong post) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2uKKmNXoJc If so, what is the difference? Should Ballard have been suspended as well?
I’m not looking to say I’m right and if you don’t share my opinion then you’re in the wrong on this one- I just want to know what it can be filed under if we’re going to keep this league credible.
by dwatson783 on Jan 9, 2012 8:44 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
To me, this whole line of reasoning will get you nowhere. The clarification and cleaning of the game has to start somewhere. Just because someone escaped from a similar hit unscathed does not mean that Marchand or any other perpetrator of such a hit should get off free from then on.
Think of it like saying that all alleged murderers should go free because OJ Simpson did it and got off scott free.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
So we’re back to calling things whenever we want subjectively? I guess in the US we should just get rid of due process as well and just charge people with whatever we want, whenever we want….
The first precedent has to be set at some point. If you never set that first one how can you ever make anything against the rules?
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
You take a look at the film, you review it with the competition committee and you decide if there should be a ruling for it. If there is then you put it into the books, you pass along the update to the referees and you start calling it. That’s what they’ve done with head shots, that’s what you do when you’re setting up new rules. You don’t look at a single play and just start making whatever ruling you want- Shanahan isn’t the person to create rules- he’s the person to interpret and enforce them.
by dwatson783 on Jan 9, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not saying to make a new rule. Think we are discussing two very different things.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
You’re saying they need to start somewhere- that implies that it’s a new case…if it’s a new case then you need to either make a new rule or create clarification around another rule where this falls.
Enforce the rules already on the books. Just because they didn’t enforce it for one or even for a hundred doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be enforced here and in the future.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
I think what dwatson is saying is that this isn’t textbook clipping – so in that case, what is it? If it’s not illegal, you can’t suspend, but it should be made illegal (like what I said above)… but just slapping an incorrect label on it because the league doesn’t like the play is wrong, even if the play is dirty.
Kick his ass, Seabass!
Hence doing what they did with Cooke’s hit on Savard. What Cooke did was dirty, but not illegal at the time, so he didn’t get any secondary discipline. The league then went to the Competition Committee and clearly made a rule that would make the hit illegal. I like the idea. Marchand’s hit was very dirty, but not exactly Clipping (or any other existing rule) so how can he be suspended for a hit that isn’t clearly defined in the rulebook. What he did, however, i believe should be looked at, and a rule should clearly be made to discipline hits like this in the future
by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Jan 9, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Precisely. Somehow people are getting “don’t punish him, clipping is fine!” out of what I said. NO, it’s not fine, I just don’t believe it’s textbook clipping.
Kick his ass, Seabass!
by phonymahoney on Jan 10, 2012 7:19 AM EST up reply actions
Not really...
A cheap hit is not against the rules…In this case he did not break any rule. If you want cheap hits taken out of the game, make a rule against it and THEN charge people with a violation.
by BruinsFanHarv on Jan 9, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
well ballard doesn’t get on his knees to lowbridge hordichuk for one
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 9, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHmSiIsz74I I think this one, Mason Raymond on Marchand, is much more similar. Raymond was in possession of the puck and clearly goes low and flips Marchand, pretty much in the same way Salo got flipped. That video is from the NHL’s YouTube channel, so it wasn’t an issue then.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 9, 2012 9:01 AM EST reply actions
As you can see, it’s straight up hip-on-knee hit and yeah, made sense to toss him and yeah he’ll be suspended.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 9, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for that video… definitely seems to give the best evidence that it was in fact clipping. If it wasn’t at the knee it was only an inch or two above the knee.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Bull
That hit is clearly above the knee and below hip. Plus, look closely, Salo’s skates are off the ice before the hit…
by BruinsFanHarv on Jan 9, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t see them being off the ice prior to the hit personally.
As for the point of contact, a simple agree to disagree.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
fair enough- if it’s on the knee it’s clipping and it’s called right. if it isn’t on the knee then I can’t see any further discipline being handed out (well credibly at least). It’s all on how we see the play broken down so I can live with that.
Cheers,
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by dwatson783 on Jan 9, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right – and to me, that means that:
a) Salo is certainly no innocent party here, not that anyone has said he is.
b) The hit would have been higher up on Salo’s body if he hadn’t left his feet.
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i tried bringing this up on another thread, Salo is a good 3-4 inches off the ice when Marchand makes contact with him which A) makes the point of contact lower on the body then it normally should be and B) since Salo is already in the air when Marchy hits him he cant brace for the hit. If Salo’s feet are planted firmly on the ice the spinning that his body does wouldn’t happen.
by Dangles-McDonnybrook on Jan 9, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve tried watching the replay dozens of times and can only come up with mabye Salo’s right foot is off the ice before contact. I know Salo’s injury played a big part in the call on the ice and possibly the call off as well. To me its irrelavant. The impetus for this play started just moments earlier. Marchand and Salo were battling intensely; the play goes to the middle of the zone and they split away; the puck comes back to the corner/half-wall area; Marchand curls back to retrieve while Salo pinches. We know the rest.
If the previous battle hadn’t taken place, Salo wouldn’t have been looking for the big impact, which he wasn’t looking anyway ’cause he turned for a back first impact. He would have pinched in a normal fashion and tied up Marchand. I think the reason for the acrobatic manuevers is A: Salo turns his body for back first contact; B: Marchand did the only thing he could to avoid contact and stay in the play.
Had Marchand played the puck first like so many claimed he should have, we would be pissin and moaning about a blindside hit via Sami Salo. And he knows it. Thats why he threw his stick in disgust ’cause he got hurt on his own stupid play. Marchand is a rat. His self-preservation and inability to quit are two of the reasons why he is one of my favorites on a team full of favorites.
Sorry for the windbaggery.
Cornelius- if Salo goes in to play the puck instead of keeping his stick high and going high on where Marchand would be, do you think he goes over like he goes?
by dwatson783 on Jan 9, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
He certainly would’ve been less likely to go completely over if he hadn’t turned all the way around and left the ice
by BruinsFanHarv on Jan 9, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
reminder that more of marchand hits Salo than the top of his back. There’s contact from the rest of his body, too.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 9, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Marchand is in his lifting motion at that point, and it’s a bad angle to establish the moment of contact.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 9, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Dial the HD way up and look at around 2:01 and see the glory of the hip-on-knee
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 9, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I still laugh after seeing him throw a hissy fit throwing his stick
$20 on thats how he hurt him self getting up
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Are you talking about his half-hearted attempt to get up…haha
by BruinsFanHarv on Jan 9, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
The shoulder injury is probably a torn rotator cuff from chucking the stick, hehe
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Wouldn’t be surprised, considering his injury history, to be honest.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 9, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
That’s what I was getting at.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 9, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
How could the league..
be assessing suspensions based on injury or not? It’s like not going to jail because you held up a bank but didn’t take any $$. Either the offender committed a penalty or now, regardless of the result, This is BOGUS and the league needs to be consistent in their calls. So what happens if Salo comes back right after the Nucks learn of whether or not Marchand gets a suspension?
The impact of injury is always a difficult debate. On the one hand, you hate to see a guy lost of the season and the dirty play that caused it only cost the other guy 2 games. On the other hand, you don’t want teams fluffing the injury reports and holding out guys longer to make harsher punishment on opposing players. Really tricky thing to balance.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
fluffing the injury reports
Oh, you mean like immediately announcing a CONCUSION from getting submarined
In all honesty, a concussion seems a likely outcome of a submarine to me. You flip over the guy and end up going into the ice face-first.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll put good money on shoulder injury and trumped up concussion allegation to influence suspension. See Miller, Ryan.
by TomServo42 on Jan 9, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The way he went down
right on the back of his neck and head, I would have to agree. It looked like it hurt. I’m still not sold on the fact that it merits a suspension, but I think everyone will continue to have their own opinions about it.
Its a case to me where the play alone is borderline but if you include his past transgressions it gets elevated. He doesn’t seem to be learning where the line is so maybe a little nudge will help him do so.
Were it Hamill, Campbell or Bergeron who made that play (all clean players) then there would be no discussion of suspension.
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Based on past transgressions
(IMO) is a cop out for resulting injury (or not). This CBA is going to be very interesting.
Iiiiif they ever get it done.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 9, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I would argue this, by saying this is quite similar to the Horton situation. Rome has no prior history of dirty hits. He hits Horton late, in the middle of the ice. He got 4 playoff games. Does he still deserve those 4 playoff games if Horton wasn’t out for the series? Does he deserve those 4 playoff games if Horton doesn’t get the concussion?
Would you guys consider yourself lucky if Horton bounces right back up after the suspension was announced and plays the next game?
Given Salo’s injury history. management will probably give him 2 weeks off, which is probably standard concussion procedure, then another week in addition to that because he’s fragile as glass.
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Doug’s point in all of this is exactly right. As a league, you can’t set precedent based on the profile of the hit (had this same hit happened in a game between the Islanders and Blue Jackets, no one would be discussing it, and likely the offending player wouldn’t have been called).
My issue is, is the clipping rule to protect the knee, the head, or both. If it’s the knee, then Marchand’s hit isn’t clipping, the primary point of contact is the low thigh, and point of impact is altered by Salo going HIGH. If the concern is BOTH the threat of knee injury and/or concussion neck injury, the rule should be altered immediately to any hit below the waist, because even hitting a moving skater in the upper/mid thigh can produce the same effect that caused Salo’s injury. In which case, Keith Ballard would have to be suspended for his hit on Greg Campbell because he’s a repeat offender with that type of hit.
I concur, good sir!
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by phonymahoney on Jan 9, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
About as likely to happen as world peace…
by BobbyOrrsBastard on Jan 9, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but that doesn’t mean we should stop hoping for it.
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by phonymahoney on Jan 9, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Dirty? Marginal? Yes, but No Call was in order
My gut reaction to the play was that it was a legitimate hit. Watching the replays confirms. Great job comparing Marchand on Salo versus Hamhuis on Lucic; both looked to be the same hit.
We can complain about bad calls, a lost game, and a possible suspension, but I wouldn’t trade a Stanley Cup for all of the above plus a ruptured left testicle. We have to wonder if the outcome wouldn’t have been different save one busted nut.
by rattle6288 on Jan 9, 2012 11:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
CONSPIRACY THEORY
The following is 100% unabashed homerism etc etc…. I dont doubt that Salo got dinged up on that play. It wouldn’t surprise me if the he has something other than a concussion. I have nothing to substantiate this at all, just my gut feeling that concussed people dont flip out like Salo did. Every concussion I have had (1 and possibly a 2nd) or seen in person or on tv has rendered the concussed groggy and out of it. I have never seen someone respond with anger/frustration or whatever it was that Salo showed. Just my 2 cents, I’ll go adjust my tin foil hat now.
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Man just admit it was not a clean hit...
Kinda like Rome hit horton.. It was illegal, 4 games Move on rat you got 5
i had a rugby teammate get concussed during a game.
Most mild-mannered, pleasant kid ever — she got up after the hit, wobbled a little, headed to the bench, and proceeded to start flipping out and screaming at the other team until she was crying. Weird mood swings and anger CAN be a part of having a concussion. Everyone reacts to them in different ways.
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As well as not knowing, or perhaps in the case of professional athletes, not wanting to admit, one has a concussion. Symptoms aren’t always immediately present. Look at Letang on the Pacioretty hit. He went to the room, came back and scored the winning goal. Apparently the medical staff didn’t recognize his symptoms while he was under scrutiny. Yeah, admittedly the Pens’ med staff has less than a sterling record, but I doubt they would risk a player’s long-term health for a meaningless regular season game. Another example is Claude Giroux, he wasn’t diagnosed til the next day when he woke up with a headache.

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