Marchand Suspended 5 Games: Did the NHL Hurt Itself With This Decision?

are you talking to me? if you are, you cannot make a helmet to prevent a concussion… I’ve just attended an IOC conference on injury prevention and I can cite you the latest research and literature if you like

yeah, there’s some sort of big issue with me. i know i’m a big jerk, but i haven’t been even close to as jerky as i can be! haha!

it did, so sayeth the up button

This isn’t true at all. The whole “playoff reffing” thing applies to hooking, holding, interference, etc. You’re less likely to get a ticky tack foul in the playoffs. Referees don’t put the whistles away when it comes to player safety.

If the league treated that hit in the wake of the clipping rule (2002) as something they just overlook in the playoffs they wouldn’t post it as a highlight on their own YT account. Yet in fact they do. They celebrate that hit, until someone gets injured or someone turns the tables on the whiny team that is always committing that hit. It’s disgusting really.

see what you want to see

is apparently in the eye of the beholder.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
I think the hit is dirty, but they’ve got to revise the definition of clipping, because I don’t think that’s it.

Argue all you want- I’m simply stating I pointed out the points in the video where you see Salo’s ass connect with Marchand’s mid back and he goes right over. Look at the rule book- not clipping. If you think that is, whatever I say isn’t going to convince you. And if you can’t start with that as a premise, what I wrote will make 0 sense to you. I’m just not wasting my time arguing with you with further about it because this is turning into that age old adage about arguing on the internet.

I think you just learned the term out to lunch today and decided to see if you could use it multiple times in a post. Congrats.

That said, I’m talking about that one particular type of hit. Go to YT and type in Keith Ballard Hip check. There’s an entire page of it. I can actively identify Hamhuis and Raymond doing the same thing. And I’ve only seen 8 Canucks games. I’ve seen 200 or so Bruins games the past 2.5 seasons, the only Bruins I can remember making that hit are Marchand and Boychuk.

If you can find where I said that the Canucks are more physical and play with more of an edge then by all means, you can return and use out to lunch a 3rd time.

Understandable.

That first period debacle should have ended with equal treatment in terms of penalties. Both sides were to blame and it was fairly equal. Set a hard line early and hand out 2-3 minors and 1-2 misconducts a side (and the obvious fighting major) and play 5-on-5 and I guarantee that is a far calmer game.

1. As hyperbolic as the article, but fair summation.

2. Don’t think media had much to do with Lucic situation, if anything, the furor over it should have pushed to toward a Shanahammer. Very subjective, can’t say either of us have a clear view of the inner workings of the league offices.

3. Again, I and several others refute that this is a hip check to the knee. Every view shown has appeared to be to the thigh – and while we’re talking semantics to some degree because this hit isn’t totally on the up-and-up, it doesn’t fit textbook clipping and should not be reviewed as such

4. Agree, Marchand needs to walk the line a bit more subtly if he wants to keep the grime in his game, and from the look of his blog post, subtlety isn’t in his vocabulary

Conclusions:
1.I agree, and would say the enforcement and “taking hitting out of the game” arguments are what I find to be the logical fallacies in dwatson’s article.

2. I maintain that the call was wrong on the ice and the rule needs to be clarified. If similar instances aren’t so much as penalized with a minor, players aren’t going to adjust their play to avoid these hits, which the league – in my opinion – is starting to realize are on the rise as a direct result of their headshot policing. This was singling out a injurious hit to make a statement, but suspending to this degree is farcical when no prior warnings or statements have been made. Clipping is an exceedingly rare call – in part I’d posit because the rule is worded with such specificity – and a hit that many players employ without any penalty

that penalty being called as a result of one player being jumped by six made it awfully confusing as to just what the rules were going to be according to the officials on the ice

Ah, so you’re up for just letting a guy be interfered with when already on the pk and if the team gives up a goal then oh well, at least you didn’t do anything bad like hit a guy to get your stick back Marchand. Don’t worry, they won’t give that one back to you but maybe the league can give you a BP style apology when they realize they’ve screwed up again.

Uhh it wasn’t on Saturday. Last I checked Goc wasn’t a Bruin.

Except he’s a 3d body that moves UP from his initial point of impact. The clipping rule isn’t in place to prevent pin wheel hits (the effect Marchand produced), it’s in place to protect planted knees being blown out. That didn’t happen here. If your concern is concussions from pinwheel hits, you have to alter the rule to take away all hits from below the waist (they all produce the same effect, so arguing blue/white/thigh/2d/3d is irrelevant.

Clipping also specifies ACROSS, Marchand didnt’ go across, he went UP.

I demand evidence that Marchand is, in fact, not a paper doll.

Knees are lower than they look with shinpads, socks and hockey pants on. IMO it was lower thigh.

I doubt many people are disputing the dirtiness of the hit, I for one think it was dirty, but not clipping, and no dirtier than what Hamhuis, Ballard, and Raymond do.

I realize you’re big on agreeing with officiating, but in this case, I disagree with the terminology.

I think this is where we’re headed and I can’t say I disagree. We just need to make sure it’s clarified and presented to the players after ratifying by the competition committee. As long we do that then I’m fine with making the change (though I think it requires further talk about hitting in general, it’s use in the game, etc, etc- things for the committee).

I would be fine with changing the rule to cover the thigh, but I’m not okay with calling penalties for a rule that isn’t in effect yet, y’know?

Winter has been super mild here as well… of course, I’m sure our mild winters are considerably different from your mild winters.

I’ve found the CORSI, Qual Comp, etc. on behindthenet.ca I don’t think I’ve seen Fenwick on there.