Ten Trades That Should Happen At The Deadline (And Probably Won't)
Unlike some buzz-seeking hockey bloggers, I do not claim to have any insight into the workings of NHL front offices. I do, however, have a computer, a modicum of hockey knowledge, and an outsized sense of self-importance. And as far as I can tell, those are the prerequisites for writing a fake trade column.
For reasons that should be fairly obvious, these trades will be centered largely in the Northeast Division in general, and on the Bruins in particular. We'll start with a whopper:
1. Buffalo trades Ryan Miller, Paul Gaustad and Drew Stafford to Chicago for Patrick Kane and Corey Crawford.
Make no mistake, the reputation of Ryan Miller exceeds the actual ability of Ryan Miller. People remember the great run in the 2010 Olympics and that sterling 2009-10 season, when in fact Miller is basically a fringe top-10 goaltender. Be that as it may, the Blackhawks would gladly take a "fringe top 10 goaltender" over the disaster they've had between the pipes this year. Corey Crawford has gone "Blaine Lacher" on the Blackhawks and Ray Emery has gone "non-2006-07 Ray Emery". Stafford is a quality winger who basically suckered the Sabres with a classic contract run and got paid at least a million per year more than he was worth. Still, you can do worse for a second line winger. Gaustad is the sort of gritty, penalty killing, faceoff Jedi Master the Hawks could use when Jonathan Toews is on the bench. Plus, with Dan Carcillo injured, they need to be able to put at least one complete prick on the ice.
From Buffalo's perspective, Miller is the city's biggest sports hero since Jim Kelly retired. They couldn't get away with trading him for a bag of prospects, even if that might be a wise move. However, someone like local boy Kane, who would instantly give them some desperately needed scoring (and star power) would likely make the fans forgive Darcy Regier for dealing their hero. As an added bonus, the Sabres gain a bit of cap flexibility in this trade. Kane isn't having his usual season and suddenly seems to have fallen out of favor in Chicago, so this one could work for two preseason contenders in dire need of a shakeup.
2. Montreal trades Hal Gill to Boston for a third round pick.
I'm not going to lie to you: this is partly because I wanted to see if I could come up with a Boston-Montreal trade that made a modicum of sense. Old friend Hal "Skills" isn't exactly what Boston needs. What the Bruins need is a star defenseman that can carry the second pair and then team with Zdeno Chara in the playoffs to shut down opposing offenses for 30 minutes per game. Alas, it sounds like the Predators are going to stick it out with Ryan Suter, and in any case, I don't see the Bruins breaking up their core for anyone, so any additions to the blue line are likely to come from the bargain bin. Gill boasts a 3.6 GVT on the year, which would put him fourth on the Bruin defense, just behind Johnny Boychuk and just ahead of Dennis Seidenberg in that department. He's a shot-smothering machine who would provide some size, toughness and some veteran leadership at the back end. For a third round pick, Gill would be a useful rental for the remainder of the season.
If the thought of reacquiring Gill, or dealing with "Les Glorieux" is something you just can't stomach, then consider the same deal to Buffalo for Robyn Regehr. I prefer Gill because: a. he's been better this year, and b. he's a cheap rental, whereas Regehr is signed for another year at $4.02 million. However, Regehr has historically been the better player and might bounce back if relocated to a team that actually gives a damn. Buffalo's perspective is simple: they need to trade anyone over 30 that has value; that team isn't making the playoffs.
3. Anaheim trades Teemu Selanne to Boston for a first round pick.
The Bruins need a finisher, and ideally one on the right wing, with Nathan Horton and Rich Peverley both hurting. I'm not buying the "Ducks on the move!" talk around the NHL. They're eight points out, with five teams separating them from the eighth playoff spot. And if they sneak in, their reward is a four or five game ass-kicking at the hands of the Red Wings or Canucks. So please, spare me the "Ducks should be buyers!" nonsense. The Ducks need to rebuild, and a 41 year old doesn't really fit into their plans. But Selanne, he of a robust 10.7 GVT this year, could be the best rental on the market if he's willing to waive his no trade clause, and it sounds as though he might. A first round pick, even a low one, is a steep price to pay for 25 games plus playoffs, but it's a price that Selanne probably could fetch. Maybe the Bruins could get the Ducks to turn it into Selanne and Toni Lydman for a 1st and a 4th or something of that nature (obviously, that would moot deal #2).
If Selanne doesn't want to waive his no trade clause, or the Ducks suffer from delusions of grandeur, then Ray Whitney in this spot would work roughly 90% as well. I prefer Selanne to Whitney because Selanne is a natural right wing, whereas Whitney is not.
By the way, unlike last year, the Bruins have no concerns about salary additions at the deadline. The Bruins are free to add a significant amount of salary at the deadline if they want to. If you seek an explanation, check out the always-authoritative CapGeek.
4. St. Louis trades Jaroslav Halak and a future second round pick to Columbus for Jeff Carter and James Wisniewski, and then trades Jake Allen to the New York Islanders for Evgeni Nabokov.
I like the Blues this season. If they improve on their awful power play (26th in the NHL), there's no reason they can't come out of the Western Conference, so I wouldn't want to make a major move if I were Doug Armstrong unless they can make an addition without giving up a crucial part. Admittedly, trading Halak and going with Brian Elliott and Nabokov is a risk, but one that's probably worthwhile; after all, they're going to have to pick one goalie to run with in the playoffs anyway; it's not like they will keep alternating goalies night after night like they have been. Carter and Wisniewski would immediately make the power play respectable, not to mention adding some even strength punch to a team that doesn't have a single 20 goal scorer. The Blues have a ton of cap flexibility, and are one of the few contenders that could take on the overpriced, overly long contracts of Carter and Wisnewski.
For Columbus, this deal solves their Achilles' heel: goaltending, and far more importantly, gets them out of two of the worst contracts in the NHL and allows whoever takes Scott Howson's job to have a clean slate for rebuilding. (And yes, we'll get to a slightly more famous Blue Jacket later.)
The Islanders aren't making the playoffs this year, and Nabokov's return to his old form has been a major highlight of an otherwise lost season. If they can recoup a quality goaltending prospect for his services, they've done well.
5. Toronto trades Joe Colborne to Edmonton for Nikolai Khabibulin.
Another case of a steep price to pay for a rental goaltender, but the Leafs are having their usual problems in net, and Khabibulin is having a throwback season for an awful team, much like his countryman Nabokov. If they're going to make a run, it has to start with improvement from the goaltender. They can either count on James Reimer returning to his rookie form, or they can go with the playoff-tested Khabibulin, who's been a hell of a lot better this year.
Edmonton would surely love to recoup value for Khabibulin, be it Joe Colborne, or a quality draft pick, so they'd go for a deal like this in a New York minute. The bloom has come off Colborne's rose a bit, but he still has value, even if it's a bit less than when Toronto got him last year.
6. Los Angeles trades Dustin Penner and Andrei Loktionov to Montreal for Erik Cole.
The Kings are another team that needs scoring on the wing in a bad way. In Anze Kopitar and Mike Richards, they have two fine centers, but they don't have much to work with on their wings. We've already dealt Selanne, though he would make sense for them, as would Ray Whitney. But the Kings are a young team, on balance, so they'll be looking for more than a one or two year solution to their scoring woes. Cole is 33, six years younger than Whitney and eight years younger than Selanne, so he could help the Kings this season and for a few beyond that. Cole has a 7.5 GVT on the season, and would instantly become the Kings' best scorer. It's noteworthy that Cole does have a no trade clause, but I'm guessing he would waive that to get off the Pierre Gauthier-captained Titantic.
Montreal is another team that needs to sell off anyone over 30 with some value. I don't love Cole's contract; he'll be collecting $4.5 million per year until age 36, so getting rid of that deal will help the cap-strapped Canadiens. Loktionov is an excellent prospect, arguably the Kings' best, and fits the Canadiens M.O. of refusing to employ any forwards over 5'10. Penner has no value to the Habs; he's just there to make the deal work under the cap. His deal expires after this season. Cole isn't the worst contract Montreal has, and in a perfect world, they'd find a way to spin off one of the contracts belonging to Scott Gomez, Andrei Markov, Tomas Kaberle or Brian Gionta. (They total $22.4 million this year and for the next two and generated a whopping 1.5 GVT this year.) But it's hard to imagine someone else taking those deals on without forcing the Habs to swallow an equally repugnant deal in return, or demanding that they surrender someone like P.K. Subban or Max Pacioretty in the deal.
7. Pittsburgh trades Simon Despres and a first round pick to Tampa Bay for Teddy Purcell.
Pittsburgh is yet another team that needs a scoring winger, and preferably from the right side. However, the Penguins are not in a position to take on much long term salary; they've got a lot of players locked up long term, and are looking at James Neal hitting restricted free agency after this year. So, they need some cost-effective solutions. Selanne and Whitney make sense here, as well, but as with the Kings, a long-term pickup might be more important than a quick fix. Purcell, who's quietly having a fine year (6.0 GVT, 35 points and a +7 for a lousy team) would make sense for them. At age 26, and at a very reasonable $2.6 million salary for this year and next, Tampa Bay won't part with him lightly, but he's the sort of player Pittsburgh should be looking to add: good now, and likely to still be good when/if Sid the Kid returns to full strength.
For Tampa Bay, the fire sale is on. Purcell isn't the sort of guy they'd necessarily want to deal, but if they can get a first rounder and a good prospect in Despres in return, they'd have to pull the trigger.
8. Philadelphia trades Eric Gustafsson and a second round pick to Tampa Bay for Pavel Kubina.
Yes, I know, Philly just got Nicklas Grossman. Unfortunately, he sucks, so they're getting a do-over. The Flyers have a fine top 4 on defense, but it falls off badly after that; the rotating cast of characters on the third pair hasn't helped the Flyers at all. Kubina probably steps in on the second pair and gives young Braydon Coburn some easier ice time. Alas for them, this still doesn't address Philly's biggest need. Stop me if you've heard this before, but their goaltending has been terrible. But, for better or worse, they're stuck with Ilya Bryzgalov and Sergei Bobrovsky, so they'll just have to hope those guys play better than they have.
Kubina is one guy on this list that will almost certainly be moved (they've already pulled him from the active roster in preparation for a trade), and this is a return I suspect the Lightning would be happy with. Gustafsson, like Despres, isn't an A-list prospect, but he stands a good chance of becoming a quality depth player, and stockpiling draft picks is never a bad idea.
9. Florida trades Rocco Grimaldi, Alex Petrovic and Erik Gudbrandson to Minnesota for Dany Heatley.
Why shouldn't Florida be a buyer? The Southeast Division is as weak as it's ever been, and if the Panthers add some scoring, they can end up as the third seed in the East. They've got a fantastic farm system, with prospects to spare, and plenty of cap room to burn. The Capitals aren't going to be down and out forever (or maybe they are; I hate what Dale Hunter is doing to that team), so strike while the iron is hot. Heatley would be a huge addition to a Panthers' offense that struggles whenever the first line isn't on the ice.
Minnesota is looking to move Marek Zidlicky, not Heatley, but I think they'd have a hard time turning down two A prospects and a solid B for a 31 year old who's likely to be well into his decline phase by the time the Wild are relevant again. It should be noted that Heatley has a no movement clause, but the guy was willing to leave San Jose for Minnesota, and has played in Atlanta and Ottawa previously, so I'm guessing he's not super-picky about where he plies his trade. And plus, look at this file photo. They must have photoshopped out the newspaper he was holding in his hands and the pistol being pointed at his head.
For the record, I tried to shoehorn Zidlicky into this trade, but it just didn't make sense; if there's one team that's not in need of a puck moving defenseman, it's the Panthers. Sorry, Marek.
10. New York Rangers trade Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Chris Krieder and a first round pick to Columbus for Rick Nash.
Well, someone has to get Nash, and since I've already made deals for the Kings, Blues and Bruins, the Rangers are the lucky winner. Nash is a perfect fit with what the Rangers want to do: he's big, physical, and he's a finisher from the left wing. Their two best scorers, Marian Gaborik and Ryan Callahan, are right wingers. In the midst of their best run since 1994, I can't imagine anyone outbidding the Rangers if it comes down to it. Yes, they'll be capped out for the next two years, but that's never stopped them before.
For Columbus, it's going to take a big overpayment to get Nash, and this qualifies. A very good young forward in Dubinsky (who's locked up long term and can't flee Columbus), two A-list prospects and a first round pick would be about the best deal they could expect. And here's the dirty little secret: Nash hasn't been that great this year; his 6.4 GVT is 142nd in the NHL. It's probably just a blip on the radar, but what if Nash, who already has 649 NHL games under his belt, has already peaked and is starting a long, slow decline phase?
Now let's see if any of these deals, or anything remotely resembling them, come to fruition.
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Maybe the Bruins could get the Ducks to turn it into Selanne and Toni Lydman for a 1st and a 4th or something of that nature
tradeboner
I stand with Tuukka Rask in his fight for the starting job
by TomServo42 on Feb 17, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
After I wrote that, I thought “shit, why didn’t I just go with that instead of the Gill trade?” Oh well.
I have loved Teemu for over 20 years now, and I would love love fucking LOVE to see him in black and gold.
Kick his ass, Seabass!
by phonymahoney on Feb 17, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
He has always been my favorite non Bruins player. Now he just needs to put a Bruins sweater on so he can become my favorite player.
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by Dave Carignan on Feb 17, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
With you all the way. So unlikely, but it would be SO awesome.
Kick his ass, Seabass!
by phonymahoney on Feb 17, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, I let out an evil laugh when I went through Montreal’s salary cap. I encourage you all to do the same. It’s awesome; they’re so screwed.
by Phunwin on Feb 17, 2012 12:38 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
The Kaberle contract looks even worse (better for us) when viewed in the CapGeek format.
Johnny Boychuk - The infamous bottle of $100,000 champagne, I thought it was meh.
by PeterMacKellar on Feb 17, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes it is
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 17, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
riding the green line!
Kick his ass, Seabass!
by phonymahoney on Feb 17, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
3. Anaheim trades Teemu Selanne to Boston for a first round pick.



















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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 17, 2012 12:55 PM EST reply actions
I really want them to get Selanne. It sounds like they’re in on him, but I have doubts that he’ll okay a trade. He should.
Would absolutely love Selanne. Loved him since the days of NHL 94 on the Jets.
Would you play him with Lucic and Krejci?
And if in the best case scenario everyone returns healthy Peverley-Kelly-Horton on the 3rd?
by Michael Taylor on Feb 17, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
if everyone’s healthy, kelly peverley selanne would be an absolutely lethal third line getting low quality of competition
I stand with Tuukka Rask in his fight for the starting job
by TomServo42 on Feb 17, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Iginla-Peverley-Selanne
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 17, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I would SWOON if got both Selanne and Iginla....
However, I would not even want to dream of what the price for those two would be…
Hmmm….I think I like that better than Selanne on the first line. Let the other team’s best defensive line wear itself out against the HuLK line and Bergy and the Chipmunks, and the third line would rock. Interesting thought. My only concern is that I’d hate to waste the Krejci/Selanne combo, which could be lethal. Krejci’s stickhandling and passing could set Selanne up a lot better than Peverley or Kelly.
HERETIC!
also:
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2011-12 ANH 57 19 33 52 6
I stand with Tuukka Rask in his fight for the starting job
by TomServo42 on Feb 17, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You forgot this: 
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 17, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
actually this:

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 17, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
10 years ago when he was a 29-25-54 in San Jose? He’ll probably have more points by the trade deadline than he did that year. If you mean the Selanne from Winnipeg or his first go round with Anaheim, then you’d probably have to deal Seguin and Lucic for him.
For what this team needs (basically 3-4 months of goal scoring) he’s an almost ideal fit. And he’d be off the cap in time to sign Parise.
by Michael Taylor on Feb 17, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
He is still lethal on the PP.
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by Dave Carignan on Feb 17, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think Hal Gill would actually be a decent defenseman to hold down the fort on the second pairing. Not exactly what the Bruins need but I think it would be an improvement. Oh and finalllllly! Seeing someone else mention that Miller is overrated is awesome. Plays amazing in the Olympics and has a nasty vezina season, but thats the exception not the rule. Take that season out and yea hes a good starting goalie but certainly not elite. Not hating on Miller at all, just the fact that too many people think hes amazing.
I want Selanne on this team badly!
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was looking at some rumors online. One site quoted Fluto saying that if the Bruins were looking into nash, the asking price would be something close to Tuukka and Looch. my response to that is “are you friggen high?”
by BlueNGoldBomber on Feb 17, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions
Lucic has a higher GVT than Nash this year, is younger, and has a far more favorable contract. I don’t know if I’d do Lucic for Nash straight up, never mind packaged with Rask.
yeah but what’s his o-zone starts like?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 17, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
did rich ever play here?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 17, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting tidbit about Rich Pilon:
May 14, 1993; Game 7 of the Patrick Division Finals between the underdog New York Islanders and the defending Stanley Cup Champion Pittsburgh Penguins not only saw one of the greatest upsets in NHL playoff history (with the Islanders’ David Volek eventual overtime goal) but one of the worst freak accidents ever sustained on the ice.
Early in the first period of Game 7 of the Pens-Islanders 2nd round series, the puck went into the Islanders corner. Penguins’ star forward Kevin Stevens skated in hard and attempted to hit Rich Pilon but instead was met by Pilon’s visor which knocked Stevens unconscious in mid-air. The unprotected fall left Stevens to smash his face on the ice upon impact. Stevens laid motionless on the ice for several seconds with the referee and Penguin teammates concerned, a pool of blood forming around Stevens’ head, before the team trainer attended to his side. Stevens would be carted off the ice in a stretcher with a neck brace around his head. He required immediate surgery on his crushed face, injuries that ended up being a broken sinus bone and nose, as well as many facial lacerations and bruises. Stevens’ face would require over a hundred stitches that left him unrecognizable, even toward his own family, for the next few weeks until the swelling went down.
by pemci on Feb 17, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Pilon’s visor which knocked Stevens unconscious"
Lesson: NEVER hit a Pilon!
by pemci on Feb 17, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did someone make a “History Will be Made” based on that? Why yes, yes they did.
by Michael Taylor on Feb 17, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that you were making that up, but I see that is true..
Gill is a Predator…
http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2012/2/17/2805182/hal-gill-traded-nashville-predators-blake-geoffrion
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Okay so the only problem with your Blues/CBJ trade is this:
They wouldn’t trade Jake Allen, they’d trade Ben Bishop. If Bish doesn’t get in 17 NHL games this season (unlikely), he’s UFA. The Blues are set on developing Allen into an NHL goaltender, and Bishop’s time in STL has pretty much come and gone. He was supposed to potentially battle Elliott for his shot this season (Elliott is on a 2-way contract, believe it or not) but that opportunity seems to have passed by.
If the Isles trade for him, they could potentially then sign him for next year, as he’ll have a much better chance of earning an NHL spot. He’s ready to graduate from the AHL, he just needs to find a team that can give him the ice time, and STL isn’t that team. Trading Allen would mean losing both top prospect goaltenders in one fell swoop with nothing else truly even AHL ready in the pipeline.
Odds are all the Blues will do at the deadline is trade Bishop for a similar-caliber AHL goaltender who can serve as a decent third-stringer in playoffs, much as the Bruins traded for Khudobin last year.
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Interesting
I actually coached Jake Allen in JV volleyball while doing my practicum in Fredericton. I am pretty sure it is what lead him to being drafted as high as he was…just saying..
Well, it doesn’t have to be Allen. Any similar level prospect would do. I’m spitballing with those prospects.
by Phunwin on Feb 17, 2012 7:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Isles arn't interested in getting another goalie
Next season they will have Montoya/Poulin or Nabby/Poulin as their tandem. IF they do trade Nabby they’d be looking for a D-man in return. Something they are severely lacking in.
Scoreboard so far: 0-1-9
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 17, 2012 2:38 PM EST reply actions
lot of overtime losses. Time to practice the shootout
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those are ties
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 17, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I knew I should have gone with the selanne + Lydman package deal.
by Phunwin on Feb 17, 2012 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
nash
rick nash wants to come to boston , this is the trade we need even if it means tim thomas leaving boston
why would CBJ trade for Thomas? i know they need goaltending, but it’s far from their last problem keeping them from the cup. They aren’t moving their cornerstone for one year of Thomas. Also, Thomas wouldn’t waive to go there. I gotta believe the talk starts at Rask, which is where the phone should be hung up.
I stand with Tuukka Rask in his fight for the starting job
I have a hard time coming up with a reasonable Nash to Boston deal, and God knows I tried.
by Phunwin on Feb 17, 2012 7:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
when you say “reasonable” do you mean reasonable for both sides? what i mean is, does the bruins fan in you feel that any deal that involves nash to boston that feels as though it’s unreasonable, or is that your objective take as a hockey fan in general?
personally, i think the asking price is obviously going to be high considering he’s a proven NHL all-star, but there aren’t too many pieces on this team that should be considered off-limits. they have a TON of chips right now and this would be the perfect time to initiate something.
don’t get me wrong here, i don’t want any mike milbury “let’s trade every talent we have”, but i think i could live with a tukkaa + krejci, or a tukkaa + marchand (go ahead, crucify me….) for nash deal. i dont want to see any of this, but i could probably live with it if he fits well. problem is, columbus probably wants more.
By “reasonable”, I meant a deal that I thought made sense for both teams. I don’t see why the Jackets would take any deal that I would think is workable for the Bruins when I’m sure the Rangers would offer more.
by Phunwin on Feb 17, 2012 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is the trade we need
I am still shaking my head at this part
Kick his ass, Seabass!
by phonymahoney on Feb 17, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
DGB wins the internets as usual
We’re still 10 days away from the deadline, so this marks the first time in history that Hal Gill moved more quickly than other players.
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by TomServo42 on Feb 17, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am dying here over that line…..
With all the Selanne talk this is pretty funny
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/02/16/pizzos-points-another-nhl-diciplinary-e-mail-scandal/
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I did the same which is why I had to post it.
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by Dave Carignan on Feb 17, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
#10
There is 0% chance that Rangers should trade for Nash, especially with those players. They are not going to give up their top 2 prospects(Kreider & Erixon), their heart and soul guy(Dubinsky) and a 1st round pick. It would give them the uncertainty of signing RFAs the following year as well
Right, because the Rangers are famous for their patience and refusal to make big, splashy moves.
by Phunwin on Feb 18, 2012 7:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 21, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions

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